Integration using Eulers formual

  • Thread starter Thread starter cragar
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Integration
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the integration of the function e^(-2x)sin(3x) using Euler's formula, which relates complex exponentials to trigonometric functions. Participants are exploring methods to approach this integral without relying on integration by parts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss transforming the integral using Euler's formula, questioning how to manipulate the formula to extract the sine component as the real part. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between the exponential form and the sine function.

Discussion Status

Some participants express confusion about how to correctly apply Euler's formula to extract the sine term, while others suggest alternative methods, such as integration by parts, which some wish to avoid. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the roles of real and imaginary components in the integration process.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of integrating e^(-2x)sin(3x) specifically, highlighting a desire to find a solution that does not involve traditional integration techniques like integration by parts.

cragar
Messages
2,546
Reaction score
3

Homework Statement


e^(-2x)*sin(3x)dx


Homework Equations


using e^(ix)=cosx+isinx


The Attempt at a Solution


so i get e^(-2+i3)(x)

so then after i integrate i get (e^(-2+i3)(x))/(-2+i3) then i multiply by the conjegate to get the i out of the bottom then i multiply it by cos(3x)+isin(3x) then pick out the real part is this correct.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
So how do you get from e-2xsin(3x) to e(-2 + 3i)x?
 
cause i think e^(3ix)=cos(3x)+isin(3x) i don't know i know it works with
e^(-2x)*(cos(3x)
 
cragar said:
cause i think e^(3ix)=cos(3x)+isin(3x) i don't know i know it works with
e^(-2x)*(cos(3x)

then you'd want to extract the imaginary component to get the required integral, right?
 
yes but the sin(3x) is throwing me
so in the formula e^(ix)=cos(x)+isin(x) in that formula the cosx is the real part
but in our case we need the sinX to be the real part so do we need to manipluate the formula to make it work am i no the right track.
 
cragar said:
yes but the sin(3x) is throwing me
so in the formula e^(ix)=cos(x)+isin(x) in that formula the cosx is the real part
but in our case we need the sinX to be the real part so do we need to manipluate the formula to make it work am i no the right track.

[tex]\int e^{2+3i}x dx = \int e^{2x}e^{3xi}dx=\int (e^{2x}cos3x+ie^{2x}sin3x)dx=A+Bi[/tex]

A+Bi is what you realized when you integrated exp(2+3i)


[tex]\int (e^{2x}cos3x+ie^{2x}sin3x)dx = \int e^{2x}cos3x dx + i \int e^{2x}sin3x dx =A+iB[/tex]


So if you equate the real and imaginary components...

the imaginary part B= [itex]\int e^{2x}sin3x dx[/itex]
 
I believe you're on the wrong track. Another approach is to integrate by parts twice. After the first application the part you integrate will be something like e^(-2x)cos(3x). Apply integration by parts one more time to get an integral similar to the one you started with. You'll should have an equation in which you can solve algebraically for the integral you want.
 
the whole reason for doing this is to avoid integration by parts which i know how to do it that way. i want to learn how to do it this way .
 
OK, then rock.freak's and your direction is the way to go...
 
  • #10
ok so would i then divide everything by i in the formula to make sinx the real part then use that so i would have e^(ix)/i=cosx/i + sinx or is that wrong
 
  • #11
cragar said:
ok so would i then divide everything by i in the formula to make sinx the real part then use that so i would have e^(ix)/i=cosx/i + sinx or is that wrong

I still don't get why you want to make sin on the left side in the integral for.When you get the right side in the form A+Bi. B is supposed to be the required integral.
 
  • #12
k i think i get it now.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
1K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
1K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
2K