Integration, where am i going wrong here?

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The discussion revolves around a problem in kinematics involving integration to find displacement and distance traveled by an object under given acceleration functions. The original poster presents equations for acceleration in the x and y directions and seeks to determine both the displacement from the first to the third second and the total distance traveled during that interval.

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  • The original poster attempts to integrate acceleration to find velocity and then position functions. They express uncertainty about how to connect the x and y components to find the total distance traveled, questioning whether to use the Pythagorean theorem.
  • Some participants suggest that the motion can be treated separately along the x and y directions, while others clarify the distinction between displacement and total distance traveled.
  • Further questions arise regarding how to calculate total distance when the path is not straightforward, and whether integration will yield the desired scalar distance.

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Participants note the challenge of integrating over a complicated curve and the need for clarity on how to derive a single scalar value for distance traveled from the integrated results. There is also mention of specific values for distance traveled in each direction, which may influence the calculations.

devanlevin
given,-

\vec{a}_{x}=6t^{2}
\vec{a}_{y}=-4

vector V(t=0)=0
Vector R(t=0)=0

1-the displacement from the 1st to the 3rd second
2-the distance traveled fron the 2st to 3rd second
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using integration,
Vx=\int(ax)dt=2t^{3}
Vy=\int(ay)dt=-4t

x=\int(Vx)dt=0.5t^{4}
y=\int(Vy)dt=-2t^{2}

then i found r(t=1)=(0.5,-4)
and r(t=3)=(40.5,-18)

delta(r)=42.38, which is the answer to question 1
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now to find the distance traveled what i would like to do is integrate the vector V from 1 to 3, but once i get an answer for x and y, how do i connect them to get the scalar D, the distance he travelled?
 
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can i apply pythagarus with x and y values?
 
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That sounds right... the motion here is separable along x- and y-directions.
 
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then i found r(t=1)=(0.5,-2)
and r(t=3)=(40.5,-18)

delta(r)=43.08, which is the answer to question 1,
i did this by adding the sqared values of x and y and then square root on the answer, i think this gives me the displacement
 
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physics girl phd said:
That sounds right... the motion here is separable along x- and y-directions.

thats fine, but what I am looking for is the total distance travelled, not the displacemetn,,, so for example, if he traveled 10m X+, 7m X-, 20mY+,10mY-, what I am looking for is 10+7+20+10, the total travelled, not sqrt(3^2+10^2),, problem here is its a complicated curve not straightforward, x then y. how do i calculate that? won't the integral just give me the displacement? also, how do i get a single scalar value, if i know that he walked 40m on X and 16 on y is the distance travelled43.08m?/ how else can i find it other thn pythagarus
 

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