Intensity, frequency and amplitude

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The discussion revolves around the properties of waves, specifically focusing on amplitude, intensity, and frequency relationships. The original poster presents a problem involving two waves, where the second wave has double the intensity and frequency compared to the first, and seeks to determine the amplitude of the second wave in terms of the first.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between intensity, amplitude, and frequency, referencing the equation I=k a²f². There is confusion regarding the correct interpretation of frequency changes and their impact on amplitude. Some participants question the validity of the relationship used and explore whether intensity is solely proportional to the square of the amplitude.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants expressing differing interpretations of the problem and the relationships involved. Some have offered insights into the nature of the waves being discussed, while others are still trying to reconcile the original equation with the provided answer key.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted ambiguity regarding the type of wave being analyzed, as the original problem does not specify this. Participants mention having previously studied electromagnetic waves, which may influence their understanding of the relationships at play.

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Homework Statement



A wave has an amplitude a1, intensity I, and frequency f. A second wave of the same type has twice the intensity and double the frequency, find the amplitude of the second wave in terms of a1.

Homework Equations



Using the relationship I=k a2f2, where k is a constant:

The Attempt at a Solution


\frac{I}{a<sub>1</sub><sup>2</sup>f<sup>2</sup>} = \frac{2I}{a<sub>2</sub><sup>2</sup>(0.5f)<sup>2</sup>}
So a2 = √8 a1


But according to my answer key, the answer is √2 a1
 
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MohammedRady97 said:

Homework Statement



A wave has an amplitude a1, intensity I, and frequency f. A second wave of the same type has twice the intensity and double the frequency, find the amplitude of the second wave in terms of a1.

Homework Equations



Using the relationship I=k a2f2, where k is a constant:

The Attempt at a Solution


\frac{I}{a_1^2 f^2} = \frac{2I}{a_2^2 ( 0.5 f )^2}

So a2 = √8 a1


But according to my answer key, the answer is √2 a1

Well, what did you do with "double the frequency" ?


TeX tips: within [ itex ] ... [ /itex ] a subscript is done using _ and a superscript is done using ^
so [ itex ] a^2_\epsilon [ /itex ] gives ##a^2_\epsilon ##
 
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I'm so sorry! I meant the frequency is halved.
 
BvU said:
Well, what did you do with "double the frequency" ?


TeX tips: within [ itex ] ... [ /itex ] a subscript is done using _ and a superscript is done using ^
so [ itex ] a^2_\epsilon [ /itex ] gives ##a^2_\epsilon ##

I meant to say that the frequency is halved, can you look into it again?
 
Well, if the intensity isn't also halved, I agree with your a2 = √8 a1. Can't find a way to dismiss the relationship you're using. So, I'm puzzled.
 
BvU said:
Well, if the intensity isn't also halved, I agree with your a2 = √8 a1. Can't find a way to dismiss the relationship you're using. So, I'm puzzled.

What I mean to say is, is the relationship between I a and f valid? Or is intensity just proportional to the square of the amplitude?
 
The latter could be quite right. I've seen it come by while googling around. But your orginal formula as well. Is there something in the context that can help you on your way (except for the answer that indeed points to I ##\propto## amplitude2) ? What is the subject of the chapter at hand ?
 
BvU said:
The latter could be quite right. I've seen it come by while googling around. But your orginal formula as well. Is there something in the context that can help you on your way (except for the answer that indeed points to I ##\propto## amplitude2) ? What is the subject of the chapter at hand ?

It is on the basic properties of waves in general, and the question did not specify the type of wave.
 
Well, then the caveat is we've done it for e.g. electromagnetic waves. Sound or springs have I ##\propto \omega^2 ## amplitude2 as you wrote.

Anyone else have an idea here ? I'm at a loss.
 

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