Interference Patterns in Optical Fibers: Causes and Solutions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interference patterns observed in optical fibers used for data transmission from a PCB. Participants explore the causes of this interference, particularly in the context of RF noise, and seek solutions to mitigate it. The conversation includes technical details about setups, noise sources, and potential shielding methods.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes interference in data transmitted through optical fibers and questions the presence of electronic noise in fibers, suggesting it should not occur.
  • Another participant clarifies that the interference is likely in the RF sense, indicating that noise can still be introduced through the transmitter and receiver electronics.
  • There is a request for methods to suppress noise, with an assumption that optical fibers should not carry electrical noise.
  • A participant describes their setup, detailing the proximity of a strong RF source and its potential coupling to the DC circuit, leading to data corruption.
  • Participants discuss the effectiveness of Faraday cage shielding and decoupling filters, with mixed results regarding their ability to eliminate interference.
  • One participant shares their experience of needing to distance the RX end from the RF source and using battery power to eliminate noise, suggesting that environmental factors significantly impact performance.
  • Another participant inquires about the behavior of the system when the fiber is disconnected, indicating a focus on isolating the source of the interference.
  • There is a suggestion to share schematics of the TX circuit and PCB layout to further investigate the issue.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the sources of interference and the effectiveness of different noise suppression techniques. There is no consensus on the exact mechanism of noise transfer through the fibers or the best solutions to mitigate the interference.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various setups and environmental conditions that may influence the interference, including the proximity of RF sources and the use of shielding techniques. The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the specific mechanisms of noise transfer and the effectiveness of proposed solutions.

cyclone24
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Hey all

I am using optical fibers as a read-out medium form a PCB. I see interference in the data through this fiber. Can someone shed a light on the interference patterns on the optical fiber? Usually one should not see any electronic noise in fibers. How true is it and how to get around it? It is an SC-SC type fiber.

Thanks.
 
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You mean interference in the RF sense - not an interference pattern in the light output right?

You can still have pickup and electrical noise in the transmitter and receiver - especially in the photodiode and amplifier on the receiving end.
 
Yes, in the RF sense. So are there any simple ways to suppress the noise? Thought there won't be electrical noise on the fibers, because its an 'optical fiber'.
 
anybody??
 
cyclone24 said:
Yes, in the RF sense. So are there any simple ways to suppress the noise? Thought there won't be electrical noise on the fibers, because its an 'optical fiber'.

There is no RF interference with the light in the fiber. Any noise pickup would be in the electronics either at the TX end or the RX end. I've used fiber to decouple noise from very high voltage immunity test equipment, but you have to do things right at the RX end to be able to see a clean signal.

Can you describe your setup more, and tell us what the interfering source is? What is the equipment monitoring the RX signal?
 
My setup consists of a small PCB with preamps acquiring digital data onto another PCB that stores the data counts. There is a 1 meter long LVDS cable connecting these two PCBs. Tx, Rx optical fibers are connected from the 2nd PCB (where the data is stored) to the PCI card in a computer.

Now there is a strong RF source which is the radiating element very close to this setup which couples to DC circuit, during the RF's duty cycle. I tried Faraday cage shielding and used decoupling filters. Still there are traces of interference.

Whenever the RF is active, it corrupts the data and the noise is picked up (I guess) on these fibers and received (Rx) by the computer.

I wanted to know the mechanism of noise transfer on fibers and how to suppress it or divert it, if it is not the RF interfering with the light.

Thanks
 
cyclone24 said:
My setup consists of a small PCB with preamps acquiring digital data onto another PCB that stores the data counts. There is a 1 meter long LVDS cable connecting these two PCBs. Tx, Rx optical fibers are connected from the 2nd PCB (where the data is stored) to the PCI card in a computer.

Now there is a strong RF source which is the radiating element very close to this setup which couples to DC circuit, during the RF's duty cycle. I tried Faraday cage shielding and used decoupling filters. Still there are traces of interference.

Whenever the RF is active, it corrupts the data and the noise is picked up (I guess) on these fibers and received (Rx) by the computer.

I wanted to know the mechanism of noise transfer on fibers and how to suppress it or divert it, if it is not the RF interfering with the light.

Thanks

If you disconnect the fiber, do you still see the noise at the RX end?
 
And to elaborate more on the setup of mine that I mentioned. I ended up needing to move the RX end at least 15m away from the source, I had to run it off of battery power with no external connections to anything, and I needed to enclose it in a Faraday cage of conductive metal screening. Once I did that, I had no noise signal with no fiber attached, and I had a valid signal with the fiber attached.

There are lots of ways that noise can get into a measurement...
 
No, I don't see it...
 
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cyclone24 said:
No, I don't see it...

Okay, that would imply that the problem is at the TX end. Can you post a schematic of the TX circuit & PCB layout?
 
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Will try...thanx!
 

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