Intermediate Math Problem of the Week 10/17/2017

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around a mathematical problem concerning the connectivity of topological groups, specifically investigating whether the connectivity of a subgroup and its quotient implies the connectivity of the entire group. The scope includes theoretical exploration and mathematical reasoning.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the problem, stating that if ##A## and ##X/A## are connected, then ##X## should also be connected.
  • Another participant questions the validity of the statement by providing the example of the general linear group ##GL(n,\mathbb{R})##, noting that while both ##GL^+(n,\mathbb{R})## and its complement are connected, ##GL(n,\mathbb{R})## itself is not.
  • A subsequent reply clarifies that the notation ##X/A## is intended to represent a quotient, suggesting that the example provided does not contradict the original claim since ##GL_n/GL_n^+ = \mathbb{Z}_2##, which is not connected.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the clarification regarding the notation used.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the original claim, with one providing a counterexample that challenges the assertion. The discussion remains unresolved as to whether the original statement holds true in all cases.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential ambiguities in the definitions and notation used, particularly regarding the interpretation of the slash in ##X/A## and its implications for connectivity.

PF PotW Robot
Here is this week's intermediate math problem of the week. We have several members who will check solutions, but we also welcome the community in general to step in. We also encourage finding different methods to the solution. If one has been found, see if there is another way. Occasionally there will be prizes for extraordinary or clever methods. Spoiler tags are optional.

Let ##X## be a topological group; let ##A## be a subgroup of ##X## such that ##A## and ##X/A## are connected. Show that ##X## is connected.

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PF PotW Robot said:
Let ##X## be a topological group; let ##A## be a subgroup of ##X## such that ##A## and ##X/A## are connected. Show that ##X## is connected.
Is this true? What about the general linear group ##GL(n,\mathbb{R})## (group of all n x n invertible matrices)? It consists of a subgroup ##GL^+(n,\mathbb{R})## of n x n matrices with positive determinant, and the complement ##GL(n,\mathbb{R})/GL^+(n,\mathbb{R})## of n x n matrices with negative determinant (where the slash denotes the set difference, not the quotient group or coset). Both subsets are connected but ##GL(n,\mathbb{R})## isn't.
 
TeethWhitener said:
(where the slash denotes the set difference, not the quotient group or coset)
But the slash in ##X/A## is meant to be a quotient, and ##GL_n/GL_n^+ = \mathbb{Z}_2## which is not connected.
 
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Ah ok. Thanks for the clarification.
 

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