Intermediate Math Problem of the Week 12/27/2017

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around an intermediate math problem involving continuous real-valued functions defined on the interval [0,1]. Participants are exploring the inequality relating the variance of the product of two functions to the variances and maximum values of the individual functions. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and problem-solving approaches.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the factor of 2 in the inequality should actually be 1/2, indicating uncertainty about the formulation of the problem.
  • Another participant suggests that proving the inequality for functions with zero mean simplifies the problem, noting that it is straightforward in that case.
  • A different participant provides a proof attempt for the special case where both functions have zero mean, leading to a stronger inequality than initially proposed.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of the zero mean case and the challenges in generalizing to functions that do not meet this condition.
  • One participant expresses curiosity about a name change of a contributor, indicating a meta-discussion aspect.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct formulation of the inequality, with some supporting the factor of 2 and others suggesting it should be 1/2. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct factor, and there is no consensus on the general case versus the special case of zero mean functions.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that proving the inequality for functions with zero mean is simpler, but the transition to the general case is acknowledged as tricky. There are also references to specific mathematical steps that remain unresolved.

PF PotW Robot
Here is this week's intermediate math problem of the week. We have several members who will check solutions, but we also welcome the community in general to step in. We also encourage finding different methods to the solution. If one has been found, see if there is another way. Occasionally there will be prizes for extraordinary or clever methods. Spoiler tags are optional.

For any continuous real-valued function ##f## defined on the interval ##[0,1]##, let
\begin{gather*}
\mu(f) = \int_0^1 f(x)\,dx, \,
\mathrm{Var}(f) = \int_0^1 (f(x) - \mu(f))^2\,dx, \\
M(f) = \max_{0 \leq x \leq 1} \left| f(x) \right|
\end{gather*}
Show that if ##f## and ##g## are continuous real-valued functions defined on the interval ##[0,1]##, then
$$
\mathrm{Var}(fg) \leq 2 \mathrm{Var}(f) M(g)^2 + 2 \mathrm{Var}(g) M(f)^2
$$

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I am close on this, with one major loose end. Two questions:

1.) Is it in fact supposed to be a scalar of ##2##, not ##\frac{1}{2}## on the Right Hand Side?

2.) Why did @PotW Tobor change its name?
 
StoneTemplePython said:
I am close on this, with one major loose end. Two questions:

1.) Is it in fact supposed to be a scalar of ##2##, not ##\frac{1}{2}## on the Right Hand Side?

2.) Why did @PotW Tobor change its name?
I am unable to comment whether the factor of 2 should be 1/2 but can I ask you something:

Did you prove it first for functions f,g such that ##\mu(f)=\mu(g)=0##?

EDIT: Turns out if f,g are such I can prove it with the factor of 1/2 as you say !
 
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Delta² said:
I am unable to comment whether the factor of 2 should be 1/2 but can I ask you something:

Did you prove it first for functions f,g such that ##\mu(f)=\mu(g)=0##?

EDIT: Turns out if f,g are such I can prove it with the factor of 1/2 as you say !

Exactly. It's straightforward if the random variables are centered (zero mean). It's surprisingly tricky to bootstrap the zero mean case to the general case though.
 
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Ok well, here is my try for the special case ##\mu(f)=\mu(g)=0##
First we notice that ##Var(f)=\mu(f^2)-\mu^2(f)## for any f, so in the special case we consider it will be

##Var(f)=\mu(f^2), Var(g)=\mu(g^2)## and

##Var(fg)=\mu(f^2g^2)-\mu^2(fg)\leq \mu(f^2g^2)## (1)

From (1) we can prove the desired inequality by noticing that for example ##\mu(f^2g^2)\leq \mu(f^2)M(g)^2=Var(f)M(g)^2## so we ll have

##Var(fg)\leq Var(f)M(g)^2## and also ##Var(fg)\leq Var(g)M(f)^2## and by adding these last two we get
##Var(fg)\leq \frac{1}{2} (Var(f)M(g)^2+Var(g)M(f)^2)##.

So we proved a stronger inequality but that's for the special case where the two functions have mean value 0.
 
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StoneTemplePython said:
2.) Why did @PotW Tobor change its name?
Just making things a little more clear :)
 

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