Internel potentiel of PN junction? so complicated

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The discussion revolves around the internal potential of a PN junction, specifically focusing on the equations related to energy levels and potential differences in a homojunction PN structure. Participants are attempting to derive and understand the equation involving the internal potential (Vbi), energy gap (Eg), and energy levels (Ec, Ef, Ev) under the condition of zero external potential difference.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about the equation e*Vbi + Eg + (Ec - Ef) + (Ef - Ev) = 0, with one participant suggesting that Vbi must equal zero, which they find impossible.
  • Another participant proposes an alternative interpretation of the equation, suggesting it should be eVbi + (Ec - Ef) + (Ef - Ev) = Eg, indicating a potential error in the original formulation.
  • One participant points out that the equation should explicitly state that Ec - Ef is measured in the n-type region and Ef - Ev in the p-type region.
  • There is a disagreement regarding the definition of the energy gap Eg, with some asserting that Eg = Ec - Ev is not universally applicable across the junction.
  • A participant questions the energy gap in a homojunction and whether it remains the same inside and outside the barrier.
  • One participant claims to have resolved their confusion by drawing the energy junction diagram and suggests that the equation is missing a term related to Ef - Evp.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of the initial equation or the definition of the energy gap in the context of a homojunction. Multiple competing views and interpretations remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the assumptions made in the equations, the definitions of energy levels, and the conditions under which the energy gap is defined. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of the energy diagrams and their implications for the equations presented.

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internel potentiel of PN junction?? so complicated

homojunction PN (not polarized), externel potentiel difference applied = 0 Volt .

i should demonstrate the equation: e*Vbi + Eg + ( Ec - Ef ) + ( Ef - Ev) = 0
Given: Vbi= internel potential
Eg= energy gap
Ef = Fermi energy level
Ec= Energy of conduction level
Ev= Energy of valence level

then i should deduce, that if the junction are so dopped that : Vbi = Eg/e
____________________________________________________________________________

Ive try a lot to solve the first equation, but i couldn't find the solution. what I've found it that Vbi must equal Zero, and that's impossible cause .
hope someone know how to solve that.
 
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homojunction PN- Need help

Hi all, i need help in my little exercise
a homojunction PN (not polarized), externel potentiel difference applied = 0 Volt .

i should demonstrate the equation: e*Vbi + Eg + ( Ec - Ef ) + ( Ef - Ev) = 0
Given: Vbi= internel potential
Eg= energy gap
Ef = Fermi energy level
Ec= Energy of conduction level
Ev= Energy of valence level

then i should deduce, that if the junction are so dopped that : Vbi = Eg/e
__________________________________________________ __________________________

Ive try a lot to solve the first equation, but i couldn't find the solution. what I've found it that Vbi must equal Zero, and that's impossible cause .
hope someone know how to solve that.
 
physicist888 said:
Hi all, i need help in my little exercise
a homojunction PN (not polarized), externel potentiel difference applied = 0 Volt .

i should demonstrate the equation: e*Vbi + Eg + ( Ec - Ef ) + ( Ef - Ev) = 0
Given: Vbi= internel potential
Eg= energy gap
Ef = Fermi energy level
Ec= Energy of conduction level
Ev= Energy of valence level
That equation looks wrong!

Simply by inspection (draw the energy digram for the p-n junction), you should be able to see that:

eV_{b} + (E_c - E_F) + (E_F - E_v) = E_g

then i should deduce, that if the junction are so dopped that : Vbi = Eg/e
__________________________________________________
I don't understand what you mean by this - it looks like an incomplete statement.
 
its right, the equation is as you've write it:
e*Vbi - Eg + ( Ec - Ef ) + ( Ef - Ev) = 0 there's a minus infront of Eg .
but what i don't understand it, that if i draw the energy level diagram of the PN junction, i found that Eg = Ec - Ev and its the definition of Eg.
if i write the statement like this: e*Vbi - Eg + Ec - Ef + Ef - Ev = 0 , then it will reduce to
e*Vbi - Eg + Ec - Ev = 0, and as known Eg = Ec - Ev, so it should that Vb = 0.
i really don't understand how to see by drawing the energy diagram for the PN junction that the realtion is right.
 
In the above equation Ec - Ef is measured in the n-type region and Ef - Ev is measured in the p-type region. This should be more explicitly stated in the equation.
 
physicist888 said:
and as known Eg = Ec - Ev
No. I think your statement of the problem is incorrect or missing some information. You probably mean Ec on one side of the junction and Ev on the other side, in which case Eg = Ec - Ev is not correct. Take a look at the energy diagram for the p-n in your text, or here

http://ece-www.colorado.edu/~bart/book/book/chapter4/ch4_2.htm"
 
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actualy what i don't understand that's the energy gap for a semiconductor is the difference between Ec and Ev. but , what will be the energy gap for a homojunction? and inside the barrier and outside. at left and right its the same?
marcusl, I've chequed your link, the don't indicate that.
 
10X to all. finally I've understand it. I've just drawn the energy junction diagram, and I've solved that. i think the problem that there's something missing in the equation, Ef-EVp , that's how it should be writen.
 

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