Interpreting: Consider S & T Sets - Are they Convex?

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of convexity in relation to two sets, S and T, specifically considering their properties and implications when combined. The original poster presents a simple case with single points and expresses uncertainty about the simplicity of their conclusion regarding convexity.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore various configurations of sets S and T, questioning whether the properties hold for different choices, such as using balls or squares. There is a focus on generalizing the findings to all convex sets and the implications of the problem statement.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants raising questions about the assumptions made regarding the convexity of sets S and T. Some suggest that examples alone do not constitute proof and emphasize the need for a more rigorous approach to eliminate options based on general cases.

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Participants note that the problem does not explicitly state that S and T must be convex, leading to further exploration of the implications of this assumption. There is also mention of the need for a general proof rather than relying solely on specific examples.

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Consider S = {(1,1)} and T = {(0,0)}
Clearly, S and T is convex
S + T = S and S - T = S
So both of them are convex.
So answer is (E)

But i feel that the answer is too simple...and seems that i wrongly interpreted the question ...
Any thoughts?
 
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What if you choose ##T=\{(2,2)\}\,##? I assume the statement has to be true for any choice of ##S,T##. And it didn't say, that they have to be convex. More interesting is if ##S,T## are balls (or squares, which are easier to handle in this case) of different radius and centers, what can be said then? Can this be generalized to convex sets with a non-empty interior?
 
fresh_42 said:
What if you choose ##T=\{(2,2)\}\,##? I assume the statement has to be true for any choice of ##S,T##. And it didn't say, that they have to be convex. But even if, and even if ##S,T## were balls (or squares, which are easier to handle in this case) of different radius and centers, what can be said then?

In the last line of the question, "Which of these is TRUE FOR ALL CONVEX SETS S & T? "

And, even if for only one choice of vertices, S & T both are convex, other options can be eliminated. Right ?
 
matrixone said:
In the last line of the question, "Which of these is TRUE FOR ALL CONVEX SETS S & T? "
Sorry, overlooked. NO NEED TO USE CAPS.
And, even if for only one choice of vertices, S & T both are convex, other options can be eliminated. Right ?
An example isn't a proof. If you eliminate choices, you have to prove that it can be done without restricting the general case.
 
fresh_42 said:
What if you choose ##T=\{(2,2)\}\,##? I assume the statement has to be true for any choice of ##S,T##. And it didn't say, that they have to be convex. More interesting is if ##S,T## are balls (or squares, which are easier to handle in this case) of different radius and centers, what can be said then? Can this be generalized to convex sets with a non-empty interior?

Actually the question does say "Which of the following is TRUE for all convex sets S and T?". I would suggest that you jump straight to trying to prove E... Might save you some time over looking at lots of a examples.
 

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