Interpreting if-then statements

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The discussion revolves around interpreting the statement "Regular work is not necessary to pass the course" and rewriting it as an if-then statement. Participants are exploring logical implications and the nuances of necessity in conditional statements.

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  • Participants are attempting to reformulate the original statement into a conditional format, questioning how to express "not necessary" logically. Some suggest variations of if-then statements while others explore the implications of necessity and non-necessity.

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The discussion is active with multiple interpretations being explored. Some participants have offered potential rewrites of the statement, while others are questioning the validity of those interpretations. There is no explicit consensus on the correct formulation yet.

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Participants are considering the requirements of the homework assignment, specifically whether the course materials allow for answers that include negations in the conditional structure.

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Homework Statement


Rewrite the following as an if-then statement: Regular work is not necessary to pass the course.

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Supposing that the "not" is not there, we would have "Regular work is necessary to pass the course." This means that "if the course was passed, then regular work was done." Now, if we include the not we get "it is not the case that if the course was passed, then regular work as done." Is this correct?
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:

Homework Statement


Rewrite the following as an if-then statement: Regular work is not necessary to pass the course.

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


Supposing that the "not" is not there, we would have "Regular work is necessary to pass the course." This means that "if the course was passed, then regular work was done." Now, if we include the not we get "it is not the case that if the course was passed, then regular work as done." Is this correct?
That doesn't strike me as an "if - then" statement. How about something like "If the course was passed, regular work may or may not have been done".
 
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LCKurtz said:
That doesn't strike me as an "if - then" statement. How about something like "If the course was passed, regular work may or may not have been done".
In general how would you write "not necessary" as a conditional? I know that if we say "A is necessary for B" then B implies A. But I'm not sure how to write "A is not necessary for B" logically.
 
I would say B does not imply A. But that might not be what you want. I will let others chime in here.
 
LCKurtz said:
I would say B does not imply A. But that might not be what you want. I will let others chime in here.
But the thing is is that it says to write as a conditional, and "B does not imply A" is not an if-then statement...
 
I wonder who made these exercises.
 
Is necessary is the relation ##\rightarrow ##, so is not necessary means ##\nrightarrow ##. How would you express does not follow? The only chance I see is ##\lnot (A \rightarrow B)##.
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:
Now, if we include the not we get "it is not the case that if the course was passed, then regular work as done." Is this correct?

Yes, I'd say that's correct. The only question is whether your course materials count it as an answer. Do you know whether your course materials want an answer without a "not" in front of the if-then?
 
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The project that I work on has given me some insight on how to answer this.
Don't take this as a serious answer - it's just very similar to the dumb logic that I have to deal with. :oldruck:

If the course was passed and regular work was done, then regular work was done.
If the course was passed and regular work was NOT done, then regular work was NOT done.

If the course was NOT passed and regular work was done, then regular work was done.
If the course was NOT passed and regular work was NOT done, then regular work was NOT done.
 
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If you really want to have a strict "if ... then" statement, then @LCKurtz answer in #2 is good: if( passed ) then (RegularWorkDone or not RegularWorkDone). In other words, passing implies nothing about regular work.
 
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