Intersection of a function f(x,y) with a plane

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The discussion revolves around the intersection of a function f(x,y) with a plane defined by the equation z=0. Participants explore the implications of this intersection in the context of partial derivatives and directional derivatives.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the mathematical representation of a plane and its relationship to the function f(x,y). They explore different forms of functions created by the intersection and question the validity of their expressions. There is also a consideration of the implications of directional derivatives versus partial derivatives.

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The discussion is active, with participants sharing their thoughts and corrections regarding the expressions used. Some participants express uncertainty about their previous statements and seek clarification on the concepts being discussed.

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There is mention of a multi-choice exercise, and participants note the absence of certain options in the context of their calculations. They also reflect on the implications of using different forms of derivatives in their reasoning.

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Homework Statement
Which of the following expressions best approximates the slope of the function created by intersecting the graph of the function z=f(x,y) with a plane 2(x-a)+(y-b)=0 at the point (a,b)
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2(x-a)+(y-b)=0 is a line
y=2a+b-2x
at the point (a,b) b=2a+b-2a
Since z=0, the only variable that counts is x.
So the solution would be:

$$\frac {f \left(a + \Delta\ x, b \right) - f(a,b)} {\left( \Delta\ x\right)}$$
 
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2(x-a)+(y-b)=0 is a line in 2D space but in 3D space it becomes a plane. You can write it as $$2(x-a)+(y-b)+0z=0$$ to see it mathematically as the general equation of a plane in 3Dimensional space is ##Ax+By+Cz+D=0##.

To see it intuitively this plane contains the line 2(x-a)+(y-b)=0 at the xy-plane (where z=0) but it also contains all the parallel lines of the points that have positive or negative z (all the lines that are above and below the basic line 2(x-a)+(y-b)=0).

The function that is "created " by the above intersection is the function $$g(x)=f(x,2a+b-2x)$$, or $$h(y)=f(\frac{b+2a-y}{2},y)$$ so you should look for options that give the slope at ##g(a)## or ##h(b)##.
 
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Sorry I had a typo in post #2 in the expression of ##h(y)## I think now it is fixed.
 
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Actually I might be wrong in what I say in post #2 about which are the functions that are created by the intersection. Is this question from the theory of directional derivatives?
 
I haven't learned anything about directional derivatives yet. It is the question about geometry of partial derivatives. But I think you are right. It does make sense. The option with g(x)

$$\frac {f \left(a + x - a, b - 2 x + 2 a \right) - f \left( a, b\right)} {x - a}$$$$\frac {f \left(a + \Delta\ x, b - 2 \Delta x \right) - f \left( a, b\right)} {\Delta x}$$
 
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I will try to do the same with h(y).
 
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$$\frac {f\left(\frac {2 a + b - \left( y - b\right)} {2}, b + y - b \right) - f\left(a, b \right)} {\left(y - b\right)}$$

Of course, y-b is ##\Delta y##

This is a multi-choice exercise and there is no option with ##\Delta y## as the one above. I was wondering why the option with ##\Delta x## in the denominator was supposed to be correct and not e.g. ##\Delta x \Delta y##. Now I understand it. :)
By the way ##\Delta x \Delta y## would mean the second derivative if I understand it correctly.
Tricky stuff.
 
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Poetria said:
$$\frac {\frac {2 a + b - \left( y - b\right)} {2} - f\left(a, b \right)} {\left(y - b\right)}$$

Of course, y-b is ##\Delta y##

This is a multi-choice exercise and there is no option with ##\Delta y## as the one above. I was wondering why the option with ##\Delta x## in the denominator was supposed to be correct and not e.g. ##\Delta x \Delta y##. Now I understand it. :)
By the way ##\Delta x \Delta y## would mean the second derivative if I understand it correctly.
Tricky stuff.
not sure what you saying at the top, your expression is incomplete/has some typos i think, but yes if you were given an expression with ##\Delta x \Delta y## in the denominator that would come from the approximation expression for the second mixed partial derivative ##\frac{\partial^2 f}{\partial x\partial y}## or ##\frac{\partial ^2 f}{\partial y\partial x}## (those 2 are equal if f is continuous btw).
 
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I meant the slope at h(b) you have suggested to find. Have I made a mistake?
 
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ehm I think you mean $$f(\frac{2a+b-\Delta y}{2},b+\Delta y)$$ there instead of just $$\frac{2a+b-\Delta y}{2}$$
 
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Silly me. :(
 
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