Introductory (yet rigorous) Organic/Inorganic Chemistry book

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around recommendations for introductory yet rigorous chemistry textbooks, specifically focusing on organic and inorganic chemistry, as well as biochemistry. Participants share their experiences with various authors and texts, seeking guidance on which books provide a comprehensive understanding of the subjects rather than just exam preparation.

Discussion Character

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  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a desire for calculus-based chemistry books that offer a deep understanding of the subjects, mentioning their current use of high-school level texts which they find insufficient.
  • Recommendations for textbooks include Mahan's chemistry book, which one participant found excellent based on their experience in a first-year chemistry sequence.
  • Another participant mentions liking McMurray and Fay for general chemistry and organic chemistry, suggesting these as potential resources.
  • There is a request for comparisons between authors, specifically regarding how their books integrate concepts and whether they provide comprehensive coverage or limited examples.
  • One participant highlights Oxtoby's books, noting their integration of physics and advanced explanations in chemistry, indicating a preference for this author based on perceived depth.
  • A later comment corrects a previous mention of Campbell's Biology, clarifying that the recommended book is by Arms and Camp, which the participant found well-written and valuable.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants share various recommendations and experiences, but there is no consensus on a single best textbook. Multiple competing views on preferred authors and texts remain, reflecting differing opinions on what constitutes a comprehensive chemistry education.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the quality and comprehensiveness of certain textbooks, particularly regarding older editions and the integration of advanced concepts. There is also mention of a desire for hardcover editions, indicating a preference for durable resources.

Who May Find This Useful

Students in pre-med or related fields looking to self-study chemistry at a rigorous level, as well as educators seeking to recommend comprehensive chemistry texts.

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I'm a student in Pre-med looking to begin self-studying chemistry at a meticulous level. Since I've only recently graduated I haven't been too full on my course load, and I'm ready to change that immediately. However, as a student, I have no clue how I might choose great authors who give a comprehensive analysis of the subject, with poor ones who simply get you through exams.

Up until now, I've been using the following books to assist me with my studies:

Campbell's Biology: A foundation approach to the wonderful field. It's far from anything meticulous, but again it's supposed to give a general understanding of the subject. For a high-school textbook, it's served it's purpose beautifully.

Zhumdal Chemistry: Again, it's only a high-school book, so It doesn't intend to serve as the forerunner of the subject. This is one of the authors I'm unsure about: It's explanations for electro-chemistry and Kinematics in general just felt too simplistic: Like It was neglecting something.

So now that I'm ready to begin, I'm wondering: What books do you recommend for biochemistry and both organic/inorganic chemistry? I'm looking for calculus based books which provide a rich understanding of the subjects. My goal isn't to just pass exams, but to nurture a firm understanding of the subjects at a physical level. As for which books I'm looking at, I've had the following in mind:

For Biochemistry I've been using: Lehninger- However I'm using the fifth edition that was a free-PDF, and it's age seems to show in a few places. So far I'm not sure whether or not I can say it's a good book, as I've only begun simple reviews, and integration of concepts I'm already familiar with.

I've heard that for Organic/Inorganic chemistry, you would use Linus Pauling, but from what I've heard, the books on my level are more supplemental than comprehensive. Oxtoby or Atkins have been recommended to me, and I know that they're calculus based, so I'm leaning more towards them.

Any help and recommendations would be greatly appreciated!
 
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I liked McMurray and Fay for general chem and didn't mind McMurray's organic text inaddition to the text required for organic.
 
Charles Link said:
For chemistry I would recommend: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0201058332/?tag=pfamazon01-20 We used this book by this author (Mahan), probably an earlier edition, back in 1974 in a 3 quarter first year chemistry sequence and it is quite excellent.
Dr Transport said:
I liked McMurray and Fay for general chem and didn't mind McMurray's organic text inaddition to the text required for organic.

I appreciate your suggestions, but I'd like some insight regarding these authors: I want to purchase a hardcover, and would like to ensure that i purchase is of the highest quality.

Could you,, for istance, provide comparisons between the authors: what do their books integrate, and how do they convey their ideas: will they provide a comprehensive undertaking of the subject, or do they only show limitrd examples for the sake of tests? I've heard thst otoxby us in the realm of chemistry books, so as of this moment, I'm leaning towards him.

From what I've heard, his books include the following:
-integration of physics, including quantum mechanical aspects of chemostry
-Use of calculus both in chemistry and physics
Advanced explanations of a multitude of fields, including electrochemistry, chemical kinetics, etc.

As of now, I'm almost certsin I am going to choose oxtoby, i just wanted feedback.
 
Additional comment: Even though I'm a physicist, around 1990 I purchased Campbell's biology book and began reading it. It is extremely well written and a very good choice. :) ## \\ ## Editing: I need to make a correction to the above: The biology book that I purchased and read is by Arms and Camp=(close to Campbell, but not Campbell). Anyway, the Arms and Camp biology book is one that I would highly recommend.
 
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Ethan Singer said:
Could you,, for istance, provide comparisons between the authors: what do their books integrate, and how do they convey their ideas: will they provide a comprehensive undertaking of the subject, or do they only show limitrd examples for the sake of tests? I've heard thst otoxby us in the realm of chemistry books, so as of this moment, I'm leaning towards him.

That is for you to decide, look at the TOC and Index.
 

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