Undergrad Invariance of a tensor of order 2

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A tensor of order 2 can be challenging to visualize, leading to confusion about its invariance under coordinate changes. It is important to note that while the tensor itself remains invariant, its components will change depending on the chosen basis. The discussion highlights that a second-order tensor is essentially a tensor product of two first-order tensors (vectors), which also remain invariant in this context. Additionally, a general second-order tensor can be expressed as a linear combination of such tensor products. Understanding these concepts is crucial for grasping the properties of tensors in different coordinate systems.
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In a tensor of order 1 (a vector) its magnitude, direction and sense must remain invariant given a change in coordinates; but in a tensor of order 2, I don't know what remains invariant.
Good morning friends of the Forum. For me it is difficult to geometrically imagine a tensor of order 2 and maybe that is why it is difficult for me to know, what remains invariant when making a change of coordinates of this tensor. The only thing I can think of it, is that since a tensor of order 2 is a tensor product of two vectors (Tensors of order 1), these two vectors remain invariant when changing coordinates and multiplying them tensorly. This I think is implicit in the definition of the order 2 tensor but I am not sure that these assertions I am making are correct. If you can clarify these doubts for me, I would appreciate it, friends of the Forum.
 
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Good morning friends of the Forum.
Good evening!

Thytanium said:
For me it is difficult to geometrically imagine a tensor of order 2 and maybe that is why it is difficult for me to know, what remains invariant when making a change of coordinates of this tensor.
A tensor (including a vector) is a geometrical object. It is invariant by itself, what changes are the tensor components relative to whatever basis you choose to use.

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The only thing I can think of it, is that since a tensor of order 2 is a tensor product of two vectors (Tensors of order 1), these two vectors remain invariant when changing coordinates and multiplying them tensorly.
More generally, a general tensor of order 2 is a linear combination of such products.
 
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