Inverse Laplace Transformation

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The discussion revolves around finding the Inverse Laplace Transformation of the function \( \frac{1}{s^3 + 1} \). Participants explore the factorization of the denominator and the challenges associated with it, particularly focusing on the expression \( s^2 - s + 1 \) and its implications for the transformation process.

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  • Participants discuss breaking down the expression \( s^3 + 1 \) into factors and consider completing the square for \( s^2 - s + 1 \). There are attempts to apply partial fraction decomposition, and some participants express confusion over the complexity of the resulting expressions.

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The conversation is ongoing, with various participants offering insights into the factorization and transformation process. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of partial fractions, but there is no consensus on the best approach to take. Participants continue to express uncertainty and seek clarification on specific steps.

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Participants note that certain transformations are not readily available in their textbooks, leading to additional challenges in finding the inverse Laplace transform. There is also mention of differing results when attempting to solve for coefficients in the partial fractions, indicating potential misunderstandings or errors in calculations.

playboy
Okay I really really need somebody to help me :cry:

Find the Inverse Laplace Transformation of [itex]\{ 1/(s^3 + 1)\}(t)[/itex]

(for those of you who don't know, you look it up in a table. the closest thing that I can find is [itex]\{ 1/(s^2 + 1)\}(t)[/itex] which is sin(t) )

Well, I started of by breaking up [itex]s^3 + 1[/itex] into [itex](s+1)(s^2 - s + 1)[/itex]

After this, I am so lost because [itex]s^2 - s + 1[/itex] cannot be broken up any further...

anybody have any ideas?
 
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COMPLETE THE SQUARE!

s2-s+1 can be written as a perfect square plus something:
s2-s+ 1/4+ 1-1/4= s2-s+ 1/4+ 3/4
= (s- 1/2)2 + 3/4
 
HallsofIvy, thank you for that.
I was thinking of completeing the square, but it made things even more messy.

The question no becomes:

Take the inverse leplace transformation of

[itex]\{ 1/(s^3 + 1)\}(t)[/itex]
=[itex]\{ 1/(s+1)((s- 1/2)^2 + 3/4)\}(t)[/itex]
=[itex]\{ 1/(s+1)(s- 1/2)^2\}[/tex] + [itex]\{ 1/(s+1)(3/4))\}(t)[/itex]<br /> <br /> and this inverse leplace transformation is too messy: [itex]\{ 1/(s+1)(s- 1/2)^2\}[/itex][/itex]
 
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no that's not too messy man! You can do it! You mean:

[tex]\frac{1}{(s+1)(s-(1/2)^2)}[/tex]

yeah?
In fact you don't don't even have to bother finding any constants, these should be right in your table.
 
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you made an error, I am looking for the Inverse Laplace Transformation of:
[tex]\frac{1}{(s+1)(s-(1/2))^2}[/tex]

I looked that up in my textbook, and no, its not in the tabel :(

Then i tried partial fractions to break it up and boy, that too isn't any easier...

So I have absolutly no idea what to do with this?
 
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[tex]\frac{t^{n}}{n!}e^{-\alpha t} \cdot u(t) =\frac{1}{(s+\alpha)^{n+1}}[/tex]

Don't be upset if that one's not in your book, I had to fish around to find it my first time too. From there I think you can do a partial fraction expansion right? maybe?
 
Im so lost right now... :(
 
I want to break [tex]\frac{1}{(s+1)(s-(1/2))^2}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{A}{(s+1)} + \frac{B}{(s-(1/2)} + \frac{C}{(s-(1/2))^2}[/tex] = [tex]\frac{A}{(s+1)} + \frac{B((s-(1/2)) + C}{(s-(1/2))^2}[/tex]


I tried solving for A, B and C like 3 times and got different answers :(
 
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Obviously you aren't going to find an inverse transform for
[tex]\frac{1}{(s+1)(s-\frac{1}{2})^2}[/tex]
in a table- reduce it by partial fractions.

As you say, you want
[tex]\frac{1}{(s+1)(s-\frac{1}{2})^2}= \frac{A}{s+1}+ \frac{B}{(s-\frac{1}{2})}+ \frac{C}{(s-\frac{1}{2})^2}[/tex]

Multiply on both sides by the common denominator and you get
[tex]1= A(s-\frac{1}{2})^2+ B(s+1)(s-\frac{1}{2})+ C(s+1)[/tex]
Taking x= -1 gives 1= A(-3/2) so A= -2/3.
Taking x= 1/2 gives 1= c(3/2) so C= 2/3.
Taking x= 0 gives 1= -A/2- B/2+ C or 1= -1/3- B/2+ 2/3 so B/2= 2/3- 1/3- 1= -2/3 and B= -1/3.
 
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HallsofIvy said:
Obviously you aren't going to find an inverse transform for
[tex]\frac{1}{(s+1)(s-\frac{1}{2})^2}[/tex]
in a table- reduce it by partial fractions.

As you say, you want
[tex]\frac{1}{(s+1)(s-\frac{1}{2})^2}= \frac{A}{s+1}+ \frac{B}{(s-\frac{1}{2})}+ \frac{C}{(s-\frac{1}{2})^2}[/tex]

Multiply on both sides by the common denominator and you get
[tex]1= A(s-\frac{1}{2})^2+ B(s+1)(s-\frac{1}{2})+ C(s+1)[/tex]
Taking x= -1 gives 1= A(-3/2) so A= -2/3.
Taking x= 1/2 gives 1= c(3/2) so C= 2/3.
Taking x= 0 gives 1= -A/2- B/2+ C or 1= -1/3- B/2+ 2/3 so B/2= 2/3- 1/3- 1= -2/3 and B= -1/3.

You forgot to square the factor in your A equation, and you solved for B incorrectly.
s=-1 gives 1 = A(-3/2)^2 so A = 4/9.
s=1/2 gives 1 = C(3/2) so C = 2/3
s=0 gives 1 = A(-1/2)^2 + B(-1/2) + C or 1 = A/4 - B/2 + C so B/2 = -1 + 1/9 + 2/3 = -2/9. So B = -4/9.

-Dan
 
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omg, i was actually expanding this:

[tex]1= A(s-\frac{1}{2})^2+ B(s+1)(s-\frac{1}{2})+ C(s+1)[/tex]

and trying to equate cooeffiecnts... which got soooo messy...
 
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okay, this is getting ridiculus.

After solving for A, B, C, and substituting the values back into the original equation, we get...

[tex]\frac{1}{(s+1)(s-\frac{1}{2})^2}= \frac{(4/9)}{s+1}+ \frac{(-4/9)}{(s-\frac{1}{2})}+ \frac{(2/3)}{(s-\frac{1}{2})^2}[/tex]

The first two terms for an Inverse Leplace Transform are easy, however, the thrid term is messy again.

How on Earth do you take the inverse leplace transform of this:

[tex]\frac{(2/3)}{(s-\frac{1}{2})^2}[/tex]

do you complete the square again?
 
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playboy said:
okay, this is getting ridiculus.

After solving for A, B, C, and substituting the values back into the original equation, we get...

[tex]\frac{1}{(s+1)(s-\frac{1}{2})^2}= \frac{(4/9)}{s+1}+ \frac{(-4/9)}{(s-\frac{1}{2})}+ \frac{(2/3)}{(s-\frac{1}{2})^2}[/tex]

The first two terms for an Inverse Leplace Transform are easy, however, the thrid term is messy again.

How on Earth do you take the inverse leplace transform of this:

[tex]\frac{(2/3)}{(s-\frac{1}{2})^2}[/tex]

do you complete the square again?

Never mind, I figured this one out.

You have to play around with one of the transforms in the tabel in the book, then it works.
 

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