Inverse Logarithmic Differentiation

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The discussion revolves around finding the derivatives of two functions: one involving the arcsine function and the other involving a logarithmic expression. The subject area is calculus, specifically focusing on differentiation techniques.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to use u-substitution for the first derivative but finds it unhelpful. They also mention using logarithmic differentiation for the second function but struggle with the process. Some participants suggest using the chain rule instead and question the appropriateness of taking the logarithm of both sides in the second case.

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Participants are exploring different methods for differentiation, with some guidance offered regarding the use of the chain rule and logarithmic differentiation. There is a recognition of potential confusion in the problem setup, particularly regarding the title of the thread and the nature of the functions involved.

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There is mention of a misleading thread title that may contribute to confusion about the types of functions being differentiated. Participants are also clarifying the correct application of logarithmic differentiation in the context of the problem.

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Hey everyone,
I'm having some trouble with a couple HW questions. A little help would be greatly appreciated.
1. Find the derivative of:
y=2(arcsin(x^2))
I thought you had to make a u-substition of u=x^2, but it doesn't seem to work out. If anyone could point me in the right direction that would be good.
2. Find the derivative of: y=ln(x^7(x+5)^9((x^2)+9)^2)
For this I took the ln of both sides, then tried using the chain rule over and over, but again i didnt get the answer.
If anyone could guide me in the right direction I would be really :smile:
Thanks
 
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For the first one, u substitution is for integrals. It is the integral equivalent of the chain rule, which is what you should be doing here. Do you know the derivative of arcsin(x)?

For the second, I don't know why you'd take the log of both sides, leaving a nested log on the right side, which only makes things harder. Just expand the log into a sum of the logs of the factors and then appy the chain rule to each term.

By the way, I should point out this thread has a very misleading title. One function is an inverse trig and one is a log, and your differentiating each of them. You aren't differentiating inverse logs (exponents), nor finding the antiderivatives of logs. Just saying.
 
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So your function is

[tex]\ln\left(x^{7(x+5)^{9(x^{2}+9)^{2}}}\right)[/tex]

and u need to differentiate wrt to "x". It's not difficult and indeed you need to use logarithmic differentiation when you have to differentiate the exponent of "x".

Daniel.
 
dextercioby said:
So your function is
[tex]\ln\left(x^{7(x+5)^{9(x^{2}+9)^{2}}}\right)[/tex]
and u need to differentiate wrt to "x". It's not difficult and indeed you need to use logarithmic differentiation when you have to differentiate the exponent of "x".
Daniel.

No, I believe he said " y=ln(x^7(x+5)^9((x^2)+9)^2)" which, copied directly into TEX, is
[tex]y=ln(x^7(x+5)^9((x^2)+9)^2)[/tex]

That is, of course, the same as
y= 7ln(x)+ 9ln(x+5)+ 2ln(x2+ 9).
 

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