Find the Maximum Height of an Inverted Garbage Can Suspended by a Geyser

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The discussion centers on calculating the maximum height an inverted garbage can can reach when suspended by water from a geyser. The initial approach involved using momentum and force equations, but the derived formula for height was found to be incorrect. Participants noted that the velocity of water just before hitting the can should be considered, and clarified that the water falls under gravity after impacting the can. A specific example with values provided indicated that a correct calculation yields a height of 17 meters when using appropriate parameters. The conversation emphasizes the importance of accurately accounting for the dynamics of the water's motion in the problem.
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Homework Statement


An inverted garbage can of weight ##W## is suspended in air by water from a geyser. The water shoots up the ground with speed ##v_0##, at a constant rate ##dm/dt##. The problem is to find the maximum height at which garbage can rides.

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Suppose the garbage can is at its highest position ##h##.

Then the velocity of elementary mass ##\Delta m## just before collision with the can would be ##\sqrt{v_0^2 - 2gh}## and velocity after collision would be zero.

So change in momentum would be ##\Delta P = - \Delta m \sqrt{v_0^2 - 2gh}##

Or the force on the can would be ##F = \sqrt{v_0^2 - 2gh} \dfrac{dm}{dt}##

Since the forces on the can is balanced, therefore ##W = \sqrt{v_0^2 - 2gh} \dfrac{dm}{dt}##,

Solving for ##h## I got ##\displaystyle h = \dfrac{1}{2g}\left(v_0^2 - \left(W \over \dfrac{dm}{dt}\right)^2 \right)##

This is incorrect.

Where am I incorrect ?
 
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Buffu said:
This is incorrect.
It all looks right to me. Do you know what the answer is supposed to be?
 
Buffu said:
velocity after collision would be zero.

So where does the water go ?
 
Nidum said:
So where does the water go ?
It falls. I do not see any basis for claiming that the water bounces off the bucket, or in any other way makes a greater contribution to supporting it. The bucket could be significantly wider than the jet.
 
haruspex said:
It all looks right to me. Do you know what the answer is supposed to be?

A clue was given; if ##v_0 = 20m/s##, ##W = 10 kg##, ##dm/dt = 0.5 kg/s## then ##h = 17 m##.

These values does not match when I put it into my formula :(.

@Nidum It falls down under gravity.
 
Buffu said:
A clue was given; if ##v_0 = 20m/s##, ##W = 10 kg##, ##dm/dt = 0.5 kg/s## then ##h = 17 m##.

These values does not match when I put it into my formula :(.

@Nidum It falls down under gravity.
I assume you mean W=10N.
That answer is clearly wrong. 20m/s is the speed at which the water needs to be moving when it reaches the bucket.
If you use g=9.8m/s2 and v0=27m/s it works out quite accurately to 17m.
 
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