Ion Thrusters - How much do they cost?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the costs associated with ion thrusters used in space vessels, particularly for launching satellites. Participants explore various factors influencing pricing, technical specifications, and the feasibility of using ion thrusters for specific missions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the cost of ion thrusters can vary significantly based on the spacecraft and its mission, potentially ranging from tens of thousands to millions of dollars.
  • One participant mentions a specific requirement for a reactor producing 100KW and weighing about 500Kg, expressing a desire for a thruster costing below 100K USD.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of approaching manufacturers directly to discuss specific requirements for ion thrusters.
  • There is a discussion about the thrust required to escape Earth's gravity, with calculations provided for thrust needs based on weight and desired acceleration.
  • Some participants argue that ion thrusters are not capable of sending satellites into space due to their low thrust-to-weight ratio, suggesting they can only be used once in orbit.
  • One participant questions whether the discussion would be better suited for a sci-fi forum, indicating a potential disconnect between the technical nature of the inquiry and its speculative aspects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the capabilities of ion thrusters, particularly regarding their use for launching satellites and the associated costs. There is no consensus on the feasibility of using ion thrusters for specific missions or the accuracy of the calculations presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants' calculations depend on assumptions about gravitational forces and thrust requirements, which may not be universally accepted or applicable in all scenarios. The discussion includes speculative elements regarding the performance of ion thrusters in various contexts.

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Ion Thrusters which are used for space vessels, such as sending sattelites into space, how much do they cost?
 
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Depends on the spacecraft and it's mission.
Never heard of off-the-rack ion drives.
iirc: costs can range from 10's of thousands to milions per unit.

What is your interest.

See :
http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/space/bss/factsheets/xips/xips.html
http://www.aerojet.com/capabilities/ spacecraft .php
 
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Simon Bridge said:
Depends on the spacecraft and it's mission.
Never heard of off-the-rack ion drives.
iirc: costs can range from 10's of thousands to milions per unit.

What is your interest.

See :
http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/space/bss/factsheets/xips/xips.html
http://www.aerojet.com/capabilities/ spacecraft .php

I have a reactor which produces 100KW and weights about 500Kg.
The thrust I'm looking for here is being able to reach speeds of 1000Km/h.
But the vessel however, will start its ion drive at about 100 miles above the Earth's surface.
So I'm looking for something bellow 100K USD.
 
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Well then approach the manufacturers and tell them your requirements - what are you messing with us for??!

Note: the thruster will accelerate your craft for as long as it has power and fuel ... there is no theoretical top speed...
 
CognitiveNet said:
I have a reactor which produces 100KW and weights about 500Kg.

Please do not post nonsense here on the PF.
 
Simon Bridge said:
Well then approach the manufacturers and tell them your requirements - what are you messing with us for??!

Note: the thruster will accelerate your craft for as long as it has power and fuel ... there is no theoretical top speed...

I must ask. Since the minimum required thrust to escape Earth is 9,81N/Kg, and I wanted to accelerate 10m/s^2, I would need a thrust of 19,81N/Kg. If my spaceship weights 300Kg, I would need a thrust of (10+9,81)*300= 5943 Newton. After 4 minutes and 38 seconds I would be traveling at 10'000km/h. So my question is, if you would be in empty space, the thrust required in order to reach the same velocity from 0km/h, would be equivalent to 10m/s^2 + 0m/s^2, because there is nothing dragging you down. Is this correct?
 
You know we have a sci-fi forum - this thread would probably do better there.

Thrust accelerates you. Without a retarding force, any thrust will get you to any speed eventually. There is no theoretical top speed. You are limited by the reaction mass and energy you carry.
 
CognitiveNet said:
Ion Thrusters which are used for space vessels, such as sending sattelites into space
Ion thrusters capable of sending satellites into space do not exist. Thrust to weight ratio of modern ion thrusters is very low, making them impossible to use until you have at least established an orbit.
 
Perhaps he means "sending satellites further into space"?
 
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CognitiveNet said:
I must ask. Since the minimum required thrust to escape Earth is 9,81N/Kg, and I wanted to accelerate 10m/s^2, I would need a thrust of 19,81N/Kg. If my spaceship weights 300Kg, I would need a thrust of (10+9,81)*300= 5943 Newton. After 4 minutes and 38 seconds I would be traveling at 10'000km/h. So my question is, if you would be in empty space, the thrust required in order to reach the same velocity from 0km/h, would be equivalent to 10m/s^2 + 0m/s^2, because there is nothing dragging you down. Is this correct?

If you aren't near a gravitational source then you only have to apply enough force to counteract your own inertia. Which is ANY amount of force. The more force you apply the faster you will accelerate.
 

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