Ionization energy and speed of electron

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of the speed an electron must have to eject another electron from a neon atom, given the first ionization energy of neon. Participants explore different approaches to solving this problem, which involves concepts from physics and chemistry, particularly relating to ionization energy and kinetic energy.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the ionization energy for one atom of neon by dividing the total ionization energy by Avogadro's number and uses this to find the speed of an electron required to eject another electron from a neon atom.
  • Another participant proposes a different calculation using the mass of an electron instead of a neon atom, resulting in a significantly higher speed.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about which solution is correct and seek clarification on the source of the accelerated electrons in the discharge tube.
  • One participant asserts that the solution using the mass of the electron is correct, suggesting that the kinetic energy of the moving electron is converted to the energy needed to ionize the neon atom.
  • A participant provides background information on how neon lights operate, explaining the role of electrons and ionization in producing light.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on which solution is correct, and there are competing views regarding the validity of the calculations presented. Some participants agree on the correctness of one approach while others express uncertainty.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the calculations, particularly the choice of mass used in the kinetic energy equation and the interpretation of the ionization process. The discussion does not clarify the source of the electrons being accelerated in the discharge tube.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying physics, chemistry, or electrical engineering, particularly in relation to gas discharge phenomena and ionization processes.

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A neon sign is a gas discharge tube in which electrons traveling from the cathode to anode collide with neon atoms in dicharge tube and knocks electrons off of them. As electrons return to the neon ions and drop to lower energy levels, light is given off. How fast would an electron have to be moving to eject an electron from an atom of neon,which has a first ionization energy of 2080KJ per mol.

OK, I got 2 set of solutions, buI don't know which one of them is the correct one, maybe neither is correct, too.

For solution number 1, I calculate the ionization energy for 1 atom of neon, by dividing 2080 by Avogadro number. Then, I get E. I obtain the mass of 1 atom of neon, by dividing its molar mass by Avogadro number, too. Using E= (1/2)(mv^2), i get the value of v=1.436x10^4 m/s.

For solution number 2, i do the same thing, except for the value of m, I substitute in the m for an electron. Finally, I get v=2.754x10^6 m/s.

Which one is the correct solution? Or neither? Thanks. :smile:
 
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One solution is correct, the other is incorrect. Which do you think is which and why?
 
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I think the solution which I substitute the value of m equals the mass of an electron seems correct. My understanding of the situation of this problem is as such: the kinetic energy of the high-speed moving electron has been "changed" to the energy that is required to knock out an electron from a neon atom, which is later become te light energy.

May I know where the electron that are being accelerated comes from? Is it from the neon atom itself? Or it is "already there" in the discharge tube? Thanks.
 
lkh1986 said:
I think the solution which I substitute the value of m equals the mass of an electron seems correct. My understanding of the situation of this problem is as such: the kinetic energy of the high-speed moving electron has been "changed" to the energy that is required to knock out an electron from a neon atom, which is later become te light energy.
Yes, the latter answer is correct.
May I know where the electron that are being accelerated comes from? Is it from the neon atom itself? Or it is "already there" in the discharge tube? Thanks.
A brief introduction from howstuffworks.com;
Howstuffworks said:
The idea behind a neon light is simple. Inside the glass tube there is a gas like neon, argon or krypton at low pressure. At both ends of the tube there are metal electrodes. When you apply a high voltage to the electrodes, the neon gas ionizes, and electrons flow through the gas. These electrons excite the neon atoms and cause them to emit light that we can see. Neon emits red light when energized in this way. Other gases emit other colors.
 

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