Is 299,792,458 m/s really the max speed of light

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the speed of light, specifically whether the established speed of 299,792,458 m/s is the maximum speed in all contexts, particularly in relation to dark matter and dark energy. Participants explore the implications of these concepts on the behavior of light in different environments, including vacuums.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the speed of light is 299,792,458 m/s in a vacuum and question if this speed changes when dark matter and dark energy are considered.
  • One participant claims that dark matter and dark energy do not interact with light, suggesting they do not affect its speed.
  • Another participant argues that creating a vacuum does not remove dark energy and dark matter from the experiment, as they barely interact with normal matter.
  • A question is raised about whether the speed of light would be greater in a vacuum devoid of dark energy and dark matter.
  • Some participants respond that the speed of light remains the same regardless of the presence of dark energy and dark matter.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of dark matter's interaction with light, with one participant stating it interacts via gravity, while another mentions dark energy's role in the expansion of space affecting light.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interaction of dark matter and dark energy with light, leading to unresolved questions about their effects on the speed of light.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of dark matter and dark energy, as well as the conditions under which light travels in a vacuum. There is an unresolved debate regarding the implications of these factors on the speed of light.

OutOfTheBox
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I have read that the speed of light is 299,792,458 m/s in a vacum, and is the Max speed of light. But if the speed of light can be reduced once it is removed from that vacum, and we now propose that Dark energy and Dark matter may exisist.

If Dark mater and energy are everywhere that humans currently have access to in the universe, does creating a vacuum infer that dark energy and dark matter are also removed from the experiment?
 
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Dark matter and dark energy don't interact with light (that's why they're "dark!") so they don't affect its speed.
 
No, creating a vacuum does not infer that dark energy and dark matter are removed. Since they barely interact with normal matter, we can simply ignore them at our scale without worrying that they will affect our experiments.
 
so then would the speed of light be greater when traveling in the vacuum of space, where no dark energy or dark matter existed?
 
OutOfTheBox said:
so then would the speed of light be greater when traveling in the vacuum of space, where no dark energy or dark matter existed?

No, it would be exactly the same.
 
So then as The_Duck indicated, Dark Matter and Dark Energy do not interact with light at all?
 
Dark matter interacts with light via gravity, and dark energy acts on light by causing the acceleration of the expansion of space that light travels through.
 

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