Is a*b equal to LCM(a,b)*HCF(a,b)? Help me understand the proof.

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the product of two numbers \(a\) and \(b\) and their least common multiple (LCM) and highest common factor (HCF). Participants seek to understand and visualize the proof of the equation \(a \cdot b = \text{LCM}(a,b) \cdot \text{HCF}(a,b)\), exploring both theoretical and conceptual aspects of this mathematical identity.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty in visualizing the proof of \(a \cdot b = \text{LCM}(a,b) \cdot \text{HCF}(a,b)\) and requests assistance.
  • Another participant provides the prime factorization of \(a\) and \(b\) and defines HCF and LCM in terms of their prime factors.
  • A participant questions whether all prime factors are included in both LCM and HCF, suggesting that only common factors are considered for HCF.
  • Further clarification is offered regarding the representation of HCF and LCM, emphasizing the role of minimum and maximum exponents of shared prime factors.
  • An example using the numbers 12 and 120 is provided to illustrate how HCF and LCM relate to the product of the two numbers, showing the calculations step-by-step.
  • Another participant presents an informal explanation of the proof, focusing on how the prime factorization of \(a\) and \(b\) leads to the conclusion that the product of HCF and LCM equals the product of \(a\) and \(b\).
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the explanations and reflects on the clarity gained from understanding the concept.

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Participants generally agree on the validity of the relationship between the product of \(a\) and \(b\) and their LCM and HCF, but there remains some uncertainty regarding the visualization and representation of these concepts, particularly among beginners.

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Some participants express confusion over the definitions and representations of HCF and LCM, indicating a need for further clarification on these mathematical concepts.

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Hello,

I have been searching in vain for a general proof of the following:

a*b = LCM(a,b)*HCF(a,b)

Please send me a link of please give me the proof. Or at least, please help me visualize how this comes about... I know it is true... but I'm just not able to visualize it...

I go up to seeing the product of the two numbers as the product of their respective prime factors and that contains the HCF of the Two numbers. But, I'm unable to visualize the rest of the prime factors together becoming the LCM of the two numbers... please help me...

Thank you.
 
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If
[tex]a = p_1^{e_1} \cdot p_2^{e_2} \cdots p_n^{e_n}[/tex],

[tex]b = p_1^{f_1} \cdot p_2^{f_2} \cdots p_n^{f_n}[/tex],

where [tex]p_i[/tex] are unique prime numbers and [tex]e_i \ge 0, f_i \ge 0[/tex], then

[tex]\text{hcf}(a,b) = p_1^{\min(e_1,f_1)} \cdots p_n^{\min(e_n, f_n)}[/tex],

[tex]\text{lcm}(a,b) = p_1^{\max(e_1,f_1)} \cdots p_n^{\max(e_n, f_n)}[/tex].

So what's [tex]\text{hcf}(a,b) \cdot \text{lcm}(a,b)[/tex]?
 
Hello in3,

Thanks for the reply. But, I still don't understand... I'm just a beginner.

Not all the Ps would be in the lcm(a,b) or the hcf(a,b) right? we take only the ones that are common.. right?

Also, I don't understand the representation of lcm and hcf... can you please send me a link where I can get a more detailed explanation of the representation?

Thank you.
 
[tex]p_1, \ldots, p_n[/tex] are all the prime factors from both a and b. Note that if [tex]p_k[/tex] is a prime factor in a but not in b, then [tex]f_k[/tex] will be 0.

As for a link, I guess you could look at MathWorld, though I'm not sure it includes the details you seek. But I would encourage you to think about what hcf and lcm means and how it's reflected in the above.
 
Anonymus1984 said:
Hello in3,

Thanks for the reply. But, I still don't understand... I'm just a beginner.

Not all the Ps would be in the lcm(a,b) or the hcf(a,b) right? we take only the ones that are common.. right?

Also, I don't understand the representation of lcm and hcf... can you please send me a link where I can get a more detailed explanation of the representation?

Thank you.

[tex]hcf(a,b)[/tex] is going to be all the common factors of a and b right?
so if we make a and b in the form that in3 made, we find that they share some [tex]p_n[/tex]'s, right? so whatever is smaller, thus [tex]min (e_n, f_n)[/tex], will become a common factor of a and b. if we multiply all of these we get [tex]hcf (a,b)[/tex]

and there will be enough p's in the lcm and hcf when multiplied because you're taking the minimum of p's in hcf and the maximum of p's in lcm.

here's a quick example: 12 & 120

[tex]12=2^2*3[/tex]
[tex]120=2^3*3*5[/tex]
[tex]hcf(12,120)=2^{min(2,3)}*3^{min(1,1)}*5^{min(0,1)}=2^2*3^1*5^0=12[/tex]
[tex]lcm(12,120)=2^{max(2,3)}*3^{max(1,1)}*5^{max(0,1)}=2^3*3^1*5^1=120[/tex]
[tex]12*120=2^2*3*2^3*3*5=2^{2+3}*3^{1+1}*5{0+1}=2^5*3^2*5=1440=12*120=lcm(12,120)*hcf(12,120)[/tex]

see that we added the exponents of each prime? that's multiplication of the two numbers a,b.
see that the minimum of the exponents and maximum of the exponents added together cover this up? that's hcf*lcm.

hope i helped :)
 
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Here's a pretty informal explanation, but you should be able to visualize it from here.

So we're trying to prove that lcm(a,b)*hcf(a,b)=a*b. Consider any prime [tex]p[/tex]. It enters the factorization of [tex]a[/tex] as [tex]p^{e}[/tex] and of [tex]b[/tex] as [tex]p^{f}[/tex]. Without loss of generality let's say that [tex]a \leq b[/tex]. When we take the HCF of [tex]a[/tex] and [tex]b[/tex], we need [tex]e[/tex] number of [tex]p's[/tex], since any more factors of [tex]p[/tex] will not divide [tex]b[/tex]. Similarly, when we take the LCM, we need [tex]f[/tex] number of [tex]p's[/tex], since [tex]f[/tex] factors of [tex]p[/tex] are required if [tex]b[/tex] is to divide the LCM. Thus, in the product of the HCF and LCM all factors of [tex]p[/tex] will come together as [tex]p^{e+f}[/tex]. But this factor [tex]p^{e+f}[/tex] is the same power of [tex]p[/tex] which enters into the prime factorization of [tex]ab[/tex]!. Since this argument applies to any prime [tex]p[/tex], the prime factorizations of lcm(a,b)*hcf(a,b) and [tex]ab[/tex] must be the same, so lcm(a,b)*hcf(a,b) and [tex]ab[/tex] must be equal. Q.E.D.
 
I understand now... thank you in3, Albert1993 and thrill3rnit3...

Once you understand something, it looks so simple and you wonder why you didn't get it all along... I guess that is the sign of understanding something...

Thank you very much.
 

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