Is a Career in Astrophysics and Cosmology Still Risky in 2010?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the perceived risks associated with pursuing a career in astrophysics and cosmology in 2010. Participants explore the job market for scientists in these fields, considering factors such as employment opportunities, funding challenges, and the employability of graduates.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question what is meant by "extremely risky," suggesting that the definition may vary based on individual perspectives and circumstances.
  • Concerns are raised about the scarcity of job opportunities in astrophysics and cosmology, particularly due to tightening funding from various sources.
  • It is noted that astrophysics encompasses a wide range of subjects, which may influence job prospects differently compared to more specialized fields.
  • Participants express that while a degree in astrophysics may lead to good employability, securing a desirable job remains challenging.
  • There is a consensus that a significant percentage of PhD candidates in physics struggle to obtain tenure-track positions, and this is similarly true for astrophysics graduates.
  • Some argue that while jobs may be available, they might not align with personal interests or desired career paths, particularly in academia.
  • The discussion includes speculation about future job prospects in the field over the next five years, though opinions vary on the outlook.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that job prospects in astrophysics and cosmology are uncertain and that the field is competitive. However, there are multiple competing views regarding the extent of risk and the nature of employment opportunities available.

Contextual Notes

Limitations in the discussion include a lack of specific data on job market trends and the dependence on individual definitions of "risk" and "employment." The conversation reflects a snapshot of opinions and experiences rather than a comprehensive analysis.

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Hello

Its 2010 now and I am not really up to date with careers. Is it still an extremely risky to go into astrophysics and/or cosmology? Can you guys tell me how things are going for scientists of all branches if you know? Thanks
 
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Define "extremely risky" ? "How things are going" ? It's pretty hard to find work in general these days if you're in the US, anyways.
 
PhysicsHigh said:
Is it still an extremely risky to go into astrophysics and/or cosmology? Can you guys tell me how things are going for scientists of all branches if you know?

Like the post above me says, it depends what you mean by 'extremely risky'. With the slightly more esoteric subjects like cosmology, the hard (very hard) part is finding a job in the first place. There aren't many, and new positions are extremely scarce now that funding bodies are having to tighten their wallets quite a lot.

Astrophysics is a slightly different kettle of fish, in that 'astrophysics' is an umbrella term for lots, and lots of different subject areas.

Are you asking with a view to wondering what would be appropriate to study at undergraduate level? If so, you can't study more than a course or two in cosmology anyway, and the skills you'll get are still good so it's a non-issue. There are potentially a lot of 'astrophysics' courses to study at undergraduate, but you'll still complete the core physics curriculum, and even do a lot of the same types of work albeit in a different context to 'regular' physics majors. Thus, at the end of your degree whether you studied 'physics' or 'astrophysics' is a non-issue - both graduates are good at math, problem solving and can probably do some programming too so are equally desirable for hire with many disciplines.

That is, an astrophysics undergraduate degree will leave you as highly employable as a physics degree will (the good-level of employability doesn't mean it's either easy to get a job or you'll get a job that you'll enjoy, however).
 
Risky meaning will you be able to find employment or have a chance doing research within the field. I am asking because I see a lot of old threads from 06 so I was wondering if things change at least for all kinds of physicists. What do you think it'll be like 5 years from now?
 
PhysicsHigh said:
Risky meaning will you be able to find employment or have a chance doing research within the field.

Again, it depends. Not a very large percentage of PhD candidates in any branch of Physics (and probably other fields) get tenure-track positions at research universities. PhDs in astrophysics have pretty much the same job prospects outside of academia that any other PhD in a relevant field has; it's a matter of timing, being in the right location, and being able to sell yourself.
 
PhysicsHigh said:
Risky meaning will you be able to find employment or have a chance doing research within the field. I am asking because I see a lot of old threads from 06 so I was wondering if things change at least for all kinds of physicists. What do you think it'll be like 5 years from now?

You'll be able to find employment, it just might not be what you want to do. To get a job doing any sort of physics, if you're willing to work in industry or academia, is fairly easy. To get the job you want, is almost always very difficult.

You may have seen other posters saying that it's extremely difficult to get a (permanent) job in academia - and it is. This is the case no matter what your discipline is, and cosmology is perhaps even more difficult again. Thus, you shouldn't count on the fact that you'll get a job in academia, and rather consider what you want to do with your life just now.

If you study astrophysics, you'll be doing what you want to do. You'll have the same marketable skillset that a 'regular' physicist will have - so you can apply for those same jobs in industry, and same grad school positions.
 

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