Is a Diploma Mill Bachelor's Degree Worth It in Engineering? The Truth Revealed

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The discussion revolves around the value of a bachelor's degree from a low-quality or "diploma mill" university in the field of engineering. Participants explore the implications of accreditation, reputation, and the impact on job recruitment.

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  • One participant questions the worth of a degree from a cheap accredited university, suggesting that recruiters may not prioritize the institution's reputation as long as the degree is obtained.
  • Another participant suggests that attending a well-respected public university could enhance job prospects.
  • Some participants argue that accreditation is essential for a degree to hold value, questioning how an accredited institution could be considered a diploma mill.
  • Concerns are raised about schools with lax academic standards that may still hold accreditation, leading to degrees that may not reflect true educational achievement.
  • There is a discussion about whether multiple accreditations enhance the value of a degree, with skepticism about the independence and oversight of accrediting bodies.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of accreditation and the reputation of institutions, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a clear consensus.

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Participants highlight the variability in accreditation standards and the potential for institutions to maintain low academic rigor while still being accredited, which complicates the assessment of degree value.

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In the field of engineering, what do you think is a worth of a bachelor's degree from a cheap accredited university? Cheap not in the sense financially, but quality-wise, and reputation-wise, or otherwise known as diploma mills.

Does a job recruiter look at this stuff? I've been told that it generally doesn't matter, as long you have that paper you should be OK. What do you guys think of that?
 
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Do you go to a diploma mill?
 
No, but my cousin might be going.
 
A better option would be to attend a public university with a well-respected engineering school. The University of Maine at Orono is not real expensive and there is some great research going on in the engineering department.
 
If you attend a recognizable school, you will be more likely to land an interview. Once you're in the interviewer's office, though, it's all up to you and your knowledge and presentation.

- Warren
 
Uh, if an institution is accredited, then how can it be a diploma mill? A diploma mill is generally understood to be an unaccredited school that basically hands out degrees for a small charge. As far as I know, if a school is accredited, then its degrees are worth something.
 
arunma said:
Uh, if an institution is accredited, then how can it be a diploma mill? A diploma mill is generally understood to be an unaccredited school that basically hands out degrees for a small charge. As far as I know, if a school is accredited, then its degrees are worth something.
If a school has some minimum accreditation and very lax scholastic standards, then it is a diploma mill with a license to print money because students will sign up, put in time, get a diploma, etc, without having to really work and learn. Unfortunately, the College of Education at my alma mater was just such an entity, turning out idiots to educate our children. I was carrying the maximum course-load in a double-major, and my faculty adviser asked if there was a possibility that I might look into a career in secondary education after college. I said that was probably a decent fall-back provision, so he tacked three Theory of Education courses onto my schedule to satisfy the state's requirement (less student-teaching time) for being certified as a teacher. I asked if I would be able to handle the extra courses, given my crammed course-load, and he said "Just show up." I did, and I spent no time outside the classroom studying for these courses and aced them all. It was then that I knew why the Education students could be such party animals.
 
turbo-1 said:
If a school has some minimum accreditation and very lax scholastic standards, then it is a diploma mill with a license to print money because students will sign up, put in time, get a diploma, etc, without having to really work and learn. Unfortunately, the College of Education at my alma mater was just such an entity, turning out idiots to educate our children. I was carrying the maximum course-load in a double-major, and my faculty adviser asked if there was a possibility that I might look into a career in secondary education after college. I said that was probably a decent fall-back provision, so he tacked three Theory of Education courses onto my schedule to satisfy the state's requirement (less student-teaching time) for being certified as a teacher. I asked if I would be able to handle the extra courses, given my crammed course-load, and he said "Just show up." I did, and I spent no time outside the classroom studying for these courses and aced them all. It was then that I knew why the Education students could be such party animals.

I see. It's too bad to hear that accreditation standards are this low. But I'm aware that most schools have accreditation from multiple boards. Would multiple accreditations imply that an institution's degrees are more valuable?
 
arunma said:
I see. It's too bad to hear that accreditation standards are this low. But I'm aware that most schools have accreditation from multiple boards. Would multiple accreditations imply that an institution's degrees are more valuable?
Only if the boards exercise oversight and are truly independent of the schools they oversee. This is a huge business, and little leverages here and there can bring lots of money in.
 
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... Unfortunately, the College of Education at my alma mater was just such an entity, turning out idiots to educate our children ...
Your school is not alone :frown:
 

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