Is a Photon Really Its Own Antiparticle?

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The discussion centers around the concept of whether a photon is truly its own antiparticle, exploring the implications of this idea in the context of particle-antiparticle annihilation and interactions. Participants examine the definitions and characteristics of photons compared to massive particles, as well as the nature of annihilation reactions and energy conservation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question how a photon can be its own antiparticle, particularly in relation to the concept of annihilation, which typically involves a particle and its antiparticle.
  • Others argue that the distinction between matter and antimatter primarily applies to massive particles, suggesting that photons do not fit this classification.
  • A participant notes that while massive particles can annihilate into photons, photons themselves can combine to create massive particles, indicating a different interaction dynamic.
  • Some contributions mention that photons do not interact directly with each other in a conventional sense, as there are no direct photon-photon interactions at tree level in Feynman diagrams.
  • One participant proposes that the idea of a photon being its own antiparticle is similar to the mathematical concept of zero being its own additive inverse.
  • Another participant discusses the conditions under which photons can be produced from annihilation reactions of massive particle-antiparticle pairs, highlighting the role of energy in such processes.

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Participants express a range of views on the topic, with no clear consensus reached. There are multiple competing interpretations regarding the nature of photons and their interactions as antiparticles.

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Some statements rely on specific definitions of particles and antiparticles, and the discussion includes various assumptions about the nature of annihilation and energy conservation that remain unresolved.

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I see that a photon is said to be its own anti-particle. How is that possible? For example, how is it consistent with the idea that a particle and its anti-particle annihilate each other leaving only energy?

PS. The links to other questions about this don't seem to answer the question, at least not in any way that I understand.
 
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exmarine said:
I see that a photon is said to be its own anti-particle. How is that possible? For example, how is it consistent with the idea that a particle and its anti-particle annihilate each other leaving only energy?

There's quite a bit more to the definition of an anti-particle than whether it annihilates with its counterpart particle, and an annihilation reaction is not a required part of the definition - the wikipedia article is worth reading.
The particles that make up the normal matter around us (electrons, neutrons, protons) do annihilate with their anti-particle counterparts, so all normal matter will annihilate with antimatter - but that's not quite the same thing as saying that every particle must annihilate with its antiparticle.
 
exmarine said:
I see that a photon is said to be its own anti-particle.
It's better to say that the distinction between matter and anti-matter only applies to massive particles, while photons are neither matter nor anti-matter.

exmarine said:
For example, how is it consistent with the idea that a particle and its anti-particle annihilate each other leaving only energy?
This applies only to massive particles which are converted to photons during annihilation. Photons on the other hand can combine to generate massive particles.
 
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In a sense, two photons do cancel, leaving only two photons--they pass through each other unchanged.

In terms of conserved quantities, when a particle and its antiparticle annihilate, what remains is energy, momentum, and spin.

A particle and its antiparticle have opposite sign in things like lepton number, baryon number, and electric charge. These quantities can all cancel leaving only light. Light has zero baryon number, lepton number and charge.

I believe that in a more accurate way, light doesn't interact with other light, because it has no conserved quantities to exchange. Someone might correct me on this.
 
stedwards said:
I believe that in a more accurate way, light doesn't interact with other light, because it has no conserved quantities to exchange. Someone might correct me on this.

Photons don't interact directly with other photon, this is, there is no Feynman diagram at tree level with a photon-photon vertex, however there is an effective interaction of four photons via a loop of charged particles, that is more or less the idea behind Euler-heisenberg lagrangian.
 
exmarine said:
I see that a photon is said to be its own anti-particle. How is that possible? For example, how is it consistent with the idea that a particle and its anti-particle annihilate each other leaving only energy?

what does "leaving only energy" means?, perhaps you can benefit from reading this insight post

https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/what-is-energy/
 
It's just semantics, but I'd say a photon is its own antiparticle in the same way that 0 is its own additive inverse. 3 and -3 "annihilate" each other, leaving 0.
 
Consider an annihilation reaction of some massive particle-antiparticle pair.
There is a good probability that this will produce a pair of photons.
The inverse reaction will destroy the photons and produce a massive particle antiparticle pair.
This proves that a photon with spin +h is the antiparticle of a photon with spin -h and the same frequency.
The total energy of the photons needs to exceed at least the rest masses of an electron positron pair, otherwise the photon pair cannot be annihilated.
 
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andresB said:
Photons don't interact directly with other photon, this is, there is no Feynman diagram at tree level with a photon-photon vertex, however there is an effective interaction of four photons via a loop of charged particles, that is more or less the idea behind Euler-heisenberg lagrangian.

Two-photon_physics
 

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