Is Adrianus J. Dekker forgotten or irrelevant?

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The discussion revolves around the relevance and accessibility of Adrianus J. Dekker's book on Solid State Physics, particularly for beginners. Participants explore the suitability of Dekker's work compared to other textbooks like Kittel and Ashcroft & Mermin, and express concerns regarding the book's age and comprehensibility for those new to the subject.

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  • One participant questions the beginner-friendliness of Kittel and Ashcroft & Mermin, suggesting that Dekker might be a better option but notes the lack of discussion about it.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on what "beginner" means and shares their perspective that Kittel is introductory while Ashcroft is more advanced.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the comprehensibility of any textbook, indicating that grappling with complex ideas is expected.
  • There are references to the historical review of Dekker's book in Physics Today, with some participants expressing concern over whether the content is still relevant and accurate today.
  • Participants mention the availability of Dekker's book at low prices, suggesting that it might be worth purchasing alongside other texts.
  • One participant shares a personal experience of needing to teach a subject with outdated materials, raising concerns about the potential lack of modern ideas in Dekker's book.
  • Another participant points out the availability of an online version of Dekker's book, which could be a resource for those hesitant to purchase it.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the relevance or suitability of Dekker's book for beginners. Multiple competing views exist regarding the accessibility of various textbooks and the implications of using older materials.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express financial constraints that limit their ability to purchase multiple textbooks, which may influence their recommendations and perspectives on Dekker's book.

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I was previously thinking of buying Solid State Physics by Kittel, but it turns out it's not beginner friendly and neither is Ashcroft & Mermin. One book that is supposedly beginner friendly is AJ Dekker (1956) but it has received little discussion on this physics forum and on reddit (as a whole). I wonder why that is?

Also, I want to understand the basics of Solid State Physics and I want the information to be relevant and accurate. Is AJ Dekker what I should read? So, should I buy AJ Dekker and is there a different book on solid state physics which is not cryptic and can be easily understood by a beginner.

PS: I really want to buy Dekker, but the fact that the book has received no discussion on reddit and in here concerns me.
 
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What does beginner mean to you? What physics courses have you taken? I would regard Kittel as an introductory book for solid state and Ashcroft as a more advanced book. I'm not sure I would expect a decent textbook to be easily understood. Any textbook will have you grappling with ideas and calculations you haven't been exposed to before. Never heard of Dekker, so can't help there, sorry.
 
One book has never been enough for me.
There are cheap $20 to $40, new or second hand copies of both available.

Dekker is clearly old school and cheap, second hand or reprinted 2008.
https://www.bookfinder.com/search/?...=KJ5gumaVsN1YGWahLPYIXfbx6gU_1685574818_1:1:2

Kittel, in the 2018 edition, is more up to date.
https://www.bookfinder.com/search/?...e=introduction%20to%20solid%20state%20physics

At those prices, I could buy both, and a third, but I have electronic copies and a University library nearby.
 
Haborix said:
I'm not sure I would expect a decent textbook to be easily understood. Any textbook will have you grappling with ideas and calculations you haven't been exposed to before.
Sir/Madam, I have one answer to that, Introduction to Electrodynamics by DJ Griffiths.

And as for textbook with unknown ideas and calculations, I am ok with that.

Meanwhile, since English is not my native language, I need it to be relatively simple to understand.
 
Baluncore said:
One book has never been enough for me.
There are cheap $20 to $40, new or second hand copies of both available.

Dekker is clearly old school and cheap, second hand or reprinted 2008.
https://www.bookfinder.com/search/?...=KJ5gumaVsN1YGWahLPYIXfbx6gU_1685574818_1:1:2

Kittel, in the 2018 edition, is more up to date.
https://www.bookfinder.com/search/?ac=sl&st=sl&ref=bf_s2_a1_t1_1&qi=s.Ga63WLa.2KmVGBFFxX,lbaoHs_1685575427_1:11:46&bq=author=charles%20kittel&title=introduction%20to%20solid%20state%20physics

At those prices, I could buy both, and a third, but I have electronic copies and a University library nearby.
Unfortunately as I am dealing with financial constraints, this has never been an option for me.
 
There is an online version of the Dekker book here
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015002003716&view=1up&seq=1

The book you are considering was first written when I was a child. If it hasn't been updated for a while, it could easily be missing modern ideas.

I once had to teach a university course on Solid State Chemistry, a subject I had only ever done a single term course on 20 years earlier. The book that was suggested to me by another lecturer had several interesting things I had never been taught at all. ( A R West, Solid State Chemistry, an updated version / title change of which is available from amazon, while an copy from 1999 is quite cheap.)
 
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