Book for graduate solid state physics

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around selecting a textbook for a graduate-level solid state physics course, with a focus on the suitability of "Principles of the Theory of Solids" by Ziman and "Solid State Physics" by Ashcroft. Participants also explore the nature of the course, its requirements, and the availability of exercises in the textbooks.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about which textbook to purchase, noting that the professor suggested both Ziman and Ashcroft, but did not assign exercises.
  • Another participant asserts that Ashcroft does contain problems at the end of chapters, contradicting the initial claim that it does not.
  • Concerns are raised about the appropriateness of the course level for a nuclear engineering major, with one participant suggesting it may be easier than a typical physics graduate course.
  • Some participants recommend Ashcroft/Mermin over Ziman, citing its depth and status as a classic, while others suggest Ziman may be a gentler introduction.
  • Additional textbooks are mentioned, such as Fetter & Walecka and Kadanoff & Baym, but one participant prefers to stick to the recommended texts.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on which textbook is definitively better, with multiple competing views on the suitability of Ashcroft versus Ziman and the overall course structure.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the lack of assigned exercises in the course and express uncertainty about the expected rigor of the graduate-level solid state physics course for engineering students.

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Hi, I have to study for a solid state physics course and I'm not sure what textbook would be the best. Our professor suggested "Principles of the theory of Solids" by Ziman, or "Solid state physics" by Ashcroft. I'll intend to use both: one I buy, the other one I borrow from the library. But which one to buy ? Also I noticed that our professor didn't assign any exercise during the course... Is It normal for a grad physics course ? I'm majoring in nuclear engineering so I do not really know how a physics grad course should be. I intended to do some problems but Ashcroft's book doesn't contain problems. Is it good or bad ? The exam is an oral examination.

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Ric
 
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Ashcroft has problems, Ziman doesn't. Both are classics and should be part of a library collection. Flip a coin...
 
dRic2 said:
I intended to do some problems but Ashcroft's book doesn't contain problems. Is it good or bad ? The exam is an oral examination.

Er... Look again! Ashcroft and Mermin DEFINITELY have problems at the end of the chapters. I know, I've had to do them!

So you have to take a solid state physics course at the graduate level, no less, for your NE major? Is this required? Have you taken an undergraduate level solid state physics course before, using, say, Kittel? If not, this is going to be a very abrupt introduction to solid state physics.

Zz.
 
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ZapperZ said:
So you have to take a solid state physics course at the graduate level, no less, for your NE major?
Yes. It is a graduate level course, according to our professor. But he's not a physicist, he's a nuclear engineering and the course has been thought for engineering students, so I have the feeling it is a bit easier than a solid state physics course for physics graduated students. I believe the level is in between Kittel and Ashcroft/Ziman, but closer to the latter. He said Kittel is not enough, but Ashcroft and Ziman contain more than the requested material.

ZapperZ said:
Is this required?
Depends on the field a student wants to specialize into. I choose nuclear physics & technology, so it is recommended.

ZapperZ said:
Have you taken an undergraduate level solid state physics course before, using, say, Kittel?
No

ZapperZ said:
this is going to be a very abrupt introduction to solid state physics.
I know :frown: ... Not the first time something like this happened though...
 
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If you had to chose one, what would it be? (no coin flip allowed :smile::smile:)
 
If I've the choice between these two book only, then Ashcroft/Mermin, but I'm not a solid-state physicist myself.

Classics concerning non-relativistic many-body theory are

Fetter&Walecka
Kadanoff&Baym

A more modern book is Altland, Condensed-matter field theory.
 
Thanks. I'd prefer to stick to the recommended books. Saw Atland's book in the library the other day... That is definitively too much for me.
 
Then I think Ashcroft/Mermin goes more into the depth, and it's the all-time classic of the subject.

As far as I can judge Ziman (of which I've a German translation) is also very good and maybe a more gentle starting point (but it has been quite a long time I've last read in these books).
 
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