Is an Ideal Voltage Source Different from an Ideal Current Source?

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The discussion revolves around the characteristics of ideal voltage and current sources, particularly in the context of a noninverting amplifier circuit. Participants explore the implications of output impedance in determining whether a source behaves as an ideal voltage or current source.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a circuit with output voltage independent of load resistance can be considered an ideal voltage source, suggesting that this implies an output impedance of zero.
  • Another participant proposes that if the current through the load resistance is independent of the load, then the output impedance should be infinite, leading to the conclusion that the output acts as an ideal current source.
  • A third participant describes the differences between ideal and non-ideal sources, noting that non-ideal sources heat up, have a voltage drop that depends on current, and have finite power capabilities, which can be modeled by adding resistors to ideal sources.
  • One participant seeks clarification on why an output impedance of zero indicates the behavior of an ideal voltage source, specifically in the context of operational amplifiers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions and characteristics of ideal voltage and current sources, with no consensus reached on the implications of output impedance in the context of the noninverting amplifier circuit.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific circuit diagrams and the behavior of operational amplifiers, but these diagrams are not provided in the discussion. The implications of output impedance are discussed without resolving the underlying assumptions or definitions of ideal sources.

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Homework Statement





Homework Equations


Is 1 an ideal voltage source?
Is 2 and ideal current source?

i was solving a noninverting amplifier circuit and i was asked to find out output impedence.
and in the first circuit output voltage was independent of the load resistance => output impedence=0 så it should be the first fiqure i have drawn. because output acts as a perfect voltagesource.

I the other question
i found out that current throug the load resistece was independent of the load res.
then out impedence should be infinity.
Does out put acts as a idela current source ?


The Attempt at a Solution

 
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surajalok said:

Homework Statement





Homework Equations


Is 1 an ideal voltage source?
Is 2 and ideal current source?

i was solving a noninverting amplifier circuit and i was asked to find out output impedence.
and in the first circuit output voltage was independent of the load resistance => output impedence=0 så it should be the first fiqure i have drawn. because output acts as a perfect voltagesource.

I the other question
i found out that current throug the load resistece was independent of the load res.
then out impedence should be infinity.
Does out put acts as a idela current source ?


The Attempt at a Solution

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Basically, in a non-ideal source (current or voltage), you will notice three things that separate it from its ideal counterpart:

1) It heats up.
2) The voltage drop is a function of the current.
3) The power it's able to provide is finite.

This behavior can be simulated (for a reasonable range of the current and the voltage drop) by adding a resistor in series with an ideal voltage source, and a resistor in parallel with an ideal current source.

So, as your diagrams represent, neither is an ideal source.
 
but when the output voltage across a load is independent of the load they say in the book that out but acts as a ideal voltage source.
and that the output impedance =0 (can someone explain why it shoulde be 0) and if it is zero then is is same as the diagram 1
I am talking about op Amp.
 

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