Is Breaking Bad science fiction?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the classification of the television series "Breaking Bad" as science fiction, exploring its use of scientific concepts, particularly organic chemistry, and how these elements contribute to the narrative. Participants debate the accuracy of the science presented and its relevance to the show's overall themes.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that while "Breaking Bad" contains scientific references, it is fundamentally a work of fiction and may not fit neatly into the science fiction genre.
  • Others argue that the science is integral to the plot, with some scenes relying heavily on scientific principles, despite inaccuracies.
  • Several participants note that much of the organic chemistry depicted is incorrect, with one mentioning a specific episode involving derivatization that was deemed misleading by an organic chemist.
  • There is a viewpoint that bad science does not equate to science fiction, implying that inaccuracies do not necessarily disqualify the show from being considered within the genre.
  • Some participants believe that the inaccuracies in the cooking scenes were likely intentional, as the show would not realistically depict the process of making meth.
  • One participant highlights that the blue color of the product is a fictional marketing gimmick, while another points out various plot holes related to the characters' criminal activities.
  • Another perspective emphasizes that the show is more about the personal story of the protagonist rather than the science itself, suggesting that the scientific elements serve as a framing device for broader themes of family and morality.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no clear consensus on whether "Breaking Bad" should be classified as science fiction. Disagreement exists regarding the significance of the scientific inaccuracies and their impact on the show's narrative.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in the portrayal of organic chemistry and the potential for misleading representations of scientific processes. The discussion reflects varying interpretations of the show's themes and the role of science within its narrative structure.

Aaronvan
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It contains a lot of science references and is clearly fiction. How should we pidgeonhole it?
 
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It's borderline. The science does sometimes become integral to the plot.
 
Personally I wouldn't class it as science fiction because the most wide spread understanding of science fiction is that it concerns speculative science and technology.
 
A lot of the organic chemistry is incorrect. I remember an episode when they mentioned about derivatizing a reagent via double amination (I believe that was the process mentioned). I asked a department organic chemist about the synthesis, he told me he watches the show religiously and a great deal of the organic chemistry is misleading for obvious reason.

Then again, it doesn't take too much effort to search on the synthesis of synthetics drugs.
 
czelaya said:
A lot of the organic chemistry is incorrect. I remember an episode when they mentioned about derivatizing a reagent via double amination (I believe that was the process mentioned). I asked a department organic chemist about the synthesis, he told me he watches the show religiously and a great deal of the organic chemistry is misleading for obvious reason.

Then again, it doesn't take too much effort to search on the synthesis of synthetics drugs.

Yeah, but bad science is not science fiction even though a lot of science fiction has bad science.
 
I know zilch about OC but alway assumed the cooking scenes were deliberately inaccurate.
 
czelaya said:
A lot of the organic chemistry is incorrect. I remember an episode when they mentioned about derivatizing a reagent via double amination (I believe that was the process mentioned). I asked a department organic chemist about the synthesis, he told me he watches the show religiously and a great deal of the organic chemistry is misleading for obvious reason.

Then again, it doesn't take too much effort to search on the synthesis of synthetics drugs.

Well it's not completely correct but there are many right things in breaking bad, I mean, people really need pseudoephedrine and phosphorous to make meth. It can also be done with methylamine and so on...
They show how hard it is to obtain some chemicals, unlike things like Fight Club where one character that makes nitroglycerine has some complicated scheme to obtain glycerine, which is a cheap and easy to get chemical and you could buy a gallon at your local market, while the hard thing would be the nitric acid and he makes no mention of it.
The details are obviously misleading, like there is no reason for it to be blue just because it's more pure...
 
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Cuauhtemoc said:
The details are obviously misleading, like there is no reason for it to be blue just because it's more pure...

The idea is some gimmick that allows the average consumer to judge the purity of the product. If there were some trick that would do that in the real world, the product would definitely be preferable to products where the quality was difficult to evaluate; where the buyer relied solely on the honesty of the seller (the honesty of a seller in a criminal transaction, which can happen, I suppose).

The marketing principle is real, but the science behind a blue product is fictional.

Likewise, the train robbery is ingenious in theory, but how did those guys get so good at making the connections/disconnections, managing the hoses, etc? Where and how did they practice that? And if you're rapidly filling the tank while rapidly draining the tank and creating convection currents, won't they be draining a diluted chemical?

There's obviously a lot of holes in the details. But it's a fun show none the less.

Especially magnets! Magnets are always fun!
 
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Of course it's somewhat inaccurate, but I think compared to the majority of shows out there it does a really good job at trying to stay within the bounds of reality/believability.
 
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It's worth pointing out that breaking bad is not a story about science any more than band of brothers is a story about guns. It's an integral plot device that frames a lot of what can, will and should happen but ultimately it's a framing device for the real story: a sick man worried about his family trying to make sure they will be ok after his death, even if that means engaging in criminal activities. The interest comes in the conflict and debate surrounding this situation and the unforeseen effects like becoming more involved in the criminal world than he ever wanted.

You could swap the science out of breaking bad for something else and get essentially the same story e.g rather than drugs have him be a fraud expert making forgeries, a games tester rigging things at casinos, a security expert planning bank robberies etc. However take away the sickness, the family, the money worries and it becomes something significantly different.
 
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Aaronvan said:
I know zilch about OC but alway assumed the cooking scenes were deliberately inaccurate.

My thoughts as well. It's not as if they're just going to show you how to make meth on TV.

Although...
 

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