Is Science Fiction really a genre?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the classification of science fiction as a distinct genre versus its role as a setting for other genres. Participants explore definitions, examples, and the implications of categorizing works as science fiction, touching on themes, tropes, and the relationship between science and storytelling.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that science fiction is a separate genre defined by the pivotal role of science in the plot, as suggested by authors like Larry Niven.
  • Others propose that many works labeled as science fiction may simply be adaptations of existing genres, such as love stories or operas, set in a science fiction milieu.
  • A distinction is made between 'hard' science fiction, which is shaped by known technology and scientific principles, and other forms that may not adhere to these standards.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about how many works truly meet the definition of science fiction, particularly in movies and television.
  • There is a suggestion that science fiction can be viewed primarily as a theme, with exceptions that complicate its classification.
  • Participants discuss the existence of sub-genres within science fiction, such as time travel and invented cultures, and how these can serve as plot foundations or mere settings.
  • Concerns are raised about the complexity of genre classification and whether it is necessary to impose strict definitions on works that blend genres.
  • Some participants reflect on the literary versus genre fiction divide, questioning the relevance of literary quality as a distinguishing factor.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on whether science fiction constitutes a distinct genre or a thematic framework, with no clear consensus reached. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the definitions and classifications of science fiction and its relationship to other genres.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the potential confusion arising from mixed genres and the subjective nature of genre classification. The discussion also touches on the limitations of existing definitions and the diversity within the science fiction genre.

  • #31
Melbourne Guy said:
Would anyone see this and immediately think, "... I's got ta see that"?

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Yes. Lot's of people:
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That's the seller.

I suspect that putting anything computer- or robot-like on the poster would actually narrow the target audience.
 
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  • #32
I can't disagree, @DaveC426913, if you clip out the 'science fiction' words from my comment. Of course, Scarlett J. is definitely a drawcard for a romance movie :biggrin:

And yes, robots would likely turn potential views off. But this was counterpoint to @PeroK's posters, with a movie that is sci-fi but how would you tell that from the poster?

(And hopefully, having raised Scarlett J., we can avoid a discussion about Ghost in the Shell, which though it meets the OP criteria, was another cringeworthy movie.)
 
  • #33
DaveC426913 said:
(There are some subtle aspects of the story that lead me to lean toward categorizing it as science fiction. :wink: )
Hi @DaveC426913:

I recommend that you use Wikipedia to help you regarding genres.

Regards,
Buzz
 
  • #34
Buzz Bloom said:
Hi @DaveC426913:

I recommend that you use Wikipedia to help you regarding genres.

Regards,
Buzz
Er. That link has absolutely nothing to do with genres. I have no idea what makes you think it might help.But it is, ultimately, the original source of the title for Weir's book.

"A Hail Mary pass is a very long forward pass in American football, typically made in desperation, with an exceptionally small chance of achieving a completion. Due to the difficulty of a completion with this pass, it makes reference to the Catholic "Hail Mary" prayer for divine help."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hail_Mary_passWeir's Hail Mary is straight up sci-fi, and that description of a Hail Mary pass is the story of the book in a nutshell.
 
  • #35
Hi @DaveC426913:

I apologize for misunderstanding the intended meaning of the quote I included with my post #33.

Regards,
Buzz
 
  • #36
Buzz Bloom said:
@DaveC426913:

I apologize for misunderstanding the intended meaning of the quote I included with my post #33.

Regards,
Buzz
Oh. My attempt at sarcasm was too subtle. :-p Sorry.
Hail Mary is incontrovertibly science fiction, cover to cover.
 
  • #37
DaveC426913 said:
Oh. My attempt at sarcasm was too subtle. :-p Sorry.
Hail Mary is incontrovertibly science fiction, cover to cover.
I like the plot. All too often in Western fiction the plot is a senseless excuse for explosions, fistfights, and car chases. Evidently the audience careth not. I prefer the Japanese approach, where a preposterous premise is worked out so that all of the characters actions are motivated solidly. Of course that's what they would do in such a situation. My favorite is an anime in which a demigoddess of death falls in love with the hero. Imagine the challenge in rendering this plausible. Her image is used in recruitment posters for the Self Defense Force.
 

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