Is dx=0 a Valid Statement in Advanced Scenarios?

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The discussion revolves around the validity of the statement "dx=0" in various mathematical contexts, particularly in calculus. Participants explore interpretations of "dx" and its implications in different frameworks, including standard calculus and non-standard analysis.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that "dx" is not equal to 0, particularly when interpreted as a differential in standard calculus, where it is considered a symbol rather than a number.
  • Others suggest that in non-standard analysis, "dx" can be viewed as an infinitesimal, which complicates the interpretation of its value.
  • One participant states that the statement "dx=0" is meaningless unless specific advanced contexts are applied, emphasizing the need for clarity regarding the conditions under which it is used.
  • Another participant notes that if x is held constant, then "dx" could be considered as 0, indicating that context is crucial for interpretation.
  • There is a consensus that "dx" serves different roles in integrals and derivatives, defining variables and functions rather than representing a numerical value.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the meaning and validity of "dx=0," with no consensus reached. Some agree on the contextual nature of the statement, while others emphasize its inherent ambiguity.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations of interpreting "dx" without specific context, as well as the dependence on the mathematical framework being employed, such as standard calculus versus non-standard analysis.

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Is dx=0 a correct statement?
 
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No, if you mean "dx" here in the usual sense of a differential, it is NOT 0.

There are a number of different ways of interpreting "dx" depending on how you are handling Calculus itself. If you are using "Non-standard Analysis" (Calculus becomes very simple in "Non-standard Analysis" but it requires some very deep logic theory to show that it is valid), then "dx" and all differentials are "infinitesmals". If you use the more "standard" limit approach to Calculus, "dx" is purely a "symbol" that has no meaning by itself but can be connected to the ordinary derivative by "dy= f'(x)dx". In either case, it is not 0 (unless, of course, x itself represents a constant function).

(Hah! I finally beat someone by one minute!)
(Usually, I am the one who posts one or two minutes after another.)
 
The statement is meaningless. dx is not a number, but a symbol.
For integrals, it defines the integration variable.
For derivatives, it defines which function is being differentiated with respect to which variable.
 
Arend Heyting said:
Is dx=0 a correct statement?

If x is held constant, sure. We need context, are you taking a math class?
 
As the general answers say, the statement is rigorously meaningless unless used in very special (and typically advanced) scenarios. On an intuitive infinitesimal level, I'd say it means that ##x## is constant as algebrat says.
 

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