Is Electric Potential the Key to Understanding Earnshaw's Theorem?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around Earnshaw's theorem, particularly its implications for the stability of a charged particle in electrostatic fields. Participants explore theoretical scenarios involving different charge configurations, including cubes and spherical arrays, and the relationship between electric potential and particle movement.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding Earnshaw's theorem and questions whether a charge could remain at rest in a perfectly balanced position among corner charges.
  • Another participant clarifies that a positive test charge will move to lower electric potential, while a negative charge will move to higher potential, noting that the center of the cube represents a local saddle point.
  • A question is raised about the applicability of Earnshaw's theorem to a spherical array of positive charges, with a participant suggesting that it seems counterintuitive despite the mathematical implications.
  • It is asserted that a spherical shell of charge would not contain a charge in the center due to the electric field being zero inside the shell, leading to inevitable escape once the charge is nudged.
  • Participants discuss the nature of electromagnetic trapping, indicating that static configurations cannot achieve this.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of Earnshaw's theorem and its implications for different charge configurations. There is no consensus on the intuitive understanding of these concepts, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of different geometries on charge stability.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference mathematical principles such as Laplace's equation and the nature of electric potential without resolving the complexities or assumptions involved in these discussions.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to students and professionals in physics, particularly those exploring electrostatics, charge stability, and the implications of Earnshaw's theorem in various configurations.

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I was working on a problem out of Griffiths, and have become a bit confused. The problem is regarding to Earnshaw's theorem, which states that a particle cannot be held in stable equilibrium by electrostatic forces. (3.2 for anyone with the text). He suggests a cube with a positive charge on each of the eight corners, and asks what would happen to a positive charge placed in the center. It seems to me that the charge could stay at rest if it were somehow perfectly placed between all the corners, but that's not really possible so it is not worth considering. Earnshaw's theorem state that it could not be contained and will be removed. However, what if the corners became really close, or there were more positive charges... Wouldn't it simply be contained due to repulsion from the sides? That may just be the answer, but I think I've become a little bit confused. There's also the matter of the electric potential. The middle would be the point of highest electric potential. He warns against thinking of electric potential as being 'potential energy' but is it correct to assume the particle would move to a point of lower electric potential?

Thanks for your time, and sorry if this is a bit scatter-brained. I found I was unclear about several things when writing this.
 
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...is it correct to assume the particle would move to a point of lower electric potential?
By convention, a positive test charge will seek the lower potential and a negative test charge will seek the higher potential.

In the example, the potential at the center of the cube is a local saddle point - bringing the corners closer just squeezes the saddle so the point becomes even more unstable.
 
How literally should we take Earnshaw's theorem then? What if instead of a cube it were a spherical array of positive charges. Would you still have the same result, of it being mathematically impossible to contain the charge using electrostatic repulsion? I can see why this would be the case, knowing about Laplace's equation, but it also seems to defies intuition.
 
What if instead of a cube it were a spherical array of positive charges. Would you still have the same result, of it being mathematically impossible to contain the charge using electrostatic repulsion?
Yes - the resulting potential cannot contain a local minima.

I can see why this would be the case, knowing about Laplace's equation, but it also seems to defies intuition.
Well - take the extreme example - let's add charges to the sphere until they touch each other!
i.e. Imagine you have a uniform spherical shell of positive charge instead of a collection of discrete charges.
Now there are no gaps - intuitively all that charge would push a positive charge to the center perhaps?

But: the field everywhere inside the shell is zero, a result you should already be familiar with.

A small positive charge in the center, given a slight nudge, will therefore drift right to the shell. Once it enters the shell, it experiences a net force pointing radially away from the center. Hence it is inevitable that the charge should escape.

A distribution of discrete charges will just have favored escape routes built in.

We can electromagnetically trap charges, it is just not done statically.
 
Oh, now that is an interesting thought. Thanks for your help, you've done wonders to clear this up for me. Have a good day!
 
No worries.

There are lots of surprising and counter-intuitive things in electromagnetism, and in physics for that matter.
It turns out that this is because our intuition is not that great-a tool for understanding things we don't regularly experience directly. We have to think about things more carefully. Remember - intuition is what tells you the Earth is flat.

Enjoy.
 

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