Is Energy Conserved in a Falling Yo-Yo?

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The discussion revolves around the conservation of energy in the context of a falling yo-yo that rotates as it descends. Participants are examining the relationship between potential energy, kinetic energy, and the forces acting on the yo-yo, particularly the role of the string during its fall.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore whether the energy is conserved when the yo-yo falls and rotates, questioning the impact of the string's force on energy transfer. They discuss the nature of work done by the string and its implications for energy conservation.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the nature of work and energy. Some have offered clarifications regarding the relationship between force, displacement, and work, while others are still grappling with the implications of these concepts.

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There is a focus on the definitions of work and energy, with participants questioning assumptions about the forces involved and their effects on the system. The discussion reflects a mix of interpretations regarding the mechanics of the yo-yo's motion and the role of the string.

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Suppose that I hold a Yo-Yo and then I leave it to fall [and of course rotate] holding only the string.
I seems to me that the energy [not the whole of the potential energy will be converted to (1/2)mv^2+(1/2)I\omega^2] is not conserved, because of the force the string applies on the Yo-Yo.
Is my intuition is right?
 
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estro said:
Suppose that I hold a Yo-Yo and then I leave it to fall [and of course rotate] holding only the string.
I seems to me that the energy [not the whole of the potential energy will be converted to (1/2)mv^2+(1/2)I\omega^2] is not conserved, because of the force the string applies on the Yo-Yo.
Is my intuition is right?
I would say no. Just because the string exerts a force on the yo-yo does not mean that work is being done. Consider the speed of the end of the string as it unravels.
 
Doc Al said:
I would say no. Just because the string exerts a force on the yo-yo does not mean that work is being done. Consider the speed of the end of the string as it unravels.

Regarding what you said about the work:
The yo-yo goes down so the string force does negative work. So the force does not "spend" energy, right?

Regarding speed of the string:
The string has no speed after it unravels, but I don't understand how is this related to work. As work is only F\centerdot \Delta x
 
estro said:
Regarding what you said about the work:
The yo-yo goes down so the string force does negative work. So the force does not "spend" energy, right?

Regarding speed of the string:
The string has no speed after it unravels, but I don't understand how is this related to work. As work is only F\centerdot \Delta x
Work is better thought of as F\centerdot \Delta x, where \Delta x is the displacement of the point of application of that force. But the point of application is not moving.

You can certainly calculate F_{net}\centerdot \Delta x_{cm}, but that's not the same thing as the work done by the forces.
 
Doc Al said:
Work is better thought of as F\centerdot \Delta x, where \Delta x is the displacement of the point of application of that force. But the point of application is not moving.

You can certainly calculate F_{net}\centerdot \Delta x_{cm}, but that's not the same thing as the work done by the forces.

Great explanation [cleared a lot of confusion for me], thanks!
 

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