Bloch theorem proof with V(x)=V(x+ma)

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The discussion revolves around the application of Bloch's theorem in the context of solid state physics, specifically focusing on the proof involving the Schrödinger equation with a periodic potential. Participants explore the implications of substituting plane wave solutions into the equation and the resulting relationships within the framework of quantum mechanics.

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  • One participant presents the Schrödinger equation and the periodic potential, attempting to show that the Hamiltonian applied to a plane wave belongs to a specific subspace of plane waves.
  • Another participant questions the validity of substituting the plane wave solution into the equation, noting that the formula is derived for the free-electron case where the potential is zero.
  • A later reply suggests that if the substitution is valid, it simplifies the proof significantly, leading to a relationship that supports the initial claim about the subspace.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the correctness of the substitution and the implications of using the plane wave solutions in the context of a periodic potential.
  • One participant acknowledges a misunderstanding and expresses gratitude for clarification, while another emphasizes that such confusion is common in complex derivations.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the appropriateness of substituting the plane wave solutions into the Schrödinger equation for the periodic potential case. There are competing views on whether this approach is valid, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of this substitution.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the applicability of the plane wave solutions in the presence of a periodic potential, and the discussion highlights the need for careful consideration of the context in which these solutions are used.

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In Grosso's Solid State Physics, chapter 1, page 2, The author said that:

$$-\frac{\hbar^2}{2m}\frac{d^2\psi(x)}{dx^2}+V(x)\:\psi(x)=E\:\psi(x)\tag{1}$$

$$V(x)=V(x+ma)\tag{2}$$

$$V(x)=\sum_{-\infty}^{+\infty}V_n\:e^{ih_nx},\tag{3}$$where ##h_n=n\cdot2\pi/a##.

$$W_k(x)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{L}}e^{ikx}\tag{4}$$

If we apply the operator ##H=(p^{2}/2m)+V(x)## to the plane wave ##W_{k}(x)##, we see that ##H\left|W_{k}(x)\right\rangle## belongs to the subspace ##\mathbf{S}_{k}## of plane waves of wavenumbers ##k+h_{n}##:
$$\mathbf{S}_{k}\equiv\left\{W_k(x),W_{k+h_1}(x),W_{k-h_1}(x),W_{k+h_2}(x),W_{k-h_2}(x),\cdots\right\}$$

Therefore, I plug (4) into (1), and I expect that I can get the following relationship, which proves that ##H\left|W_{k}(x)\right\rangle## belongs to the subspace ##\mathbf{S}_{k}## of plane waves of wavenumbers ##k+h_{n}##:
$$\left[ -\frac{\hbar^2}{2m}\frac{d^2}{dx^2}+V(x) \right]W_k(x)\propto W_{k+h_n}(x)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{L}}e^{i(k+h_n)x}$$
Here's my derivation:
$$\begin{align}\left[ -\frac{\hbar^2}{2m}\frac{d^2}{dx^2}+V(x) \right]W_k(x)&=\left[ -\frac{\hbar^2}{2m}\frac{d^2}{dx^2}+V(x) \right]\frac{1}{\sqrt{L}}e^{ikx}\\[4ex]&=\frac{\hbar^2k^2}{2m}\left(\frac{1}{\sqrt{L}}e^{ikx}\right)+\sum_{-\infty}^{+\infty}V_ne^{ih_nx}\left(\frac{1}{\sqrt{L}}e^{ikx}\right)\\[4ex]&=\frac{\hbar^2k^2}{2m}\left(\frac{1}{\sqrt{L}}e^{ikx}\right)+\sum_{-\infty}^{+\infty}V_ne^{ih_n(x+ma)}\left(\frac{1}{\sqrt{L}}e^{ikx}\right)\\[4ex]&=\frac{\hbar^2k^2}{2m}\left(\frac{1}{\sqrt{L}}e^{ikx}\right)+\sum_{-\infty}^{+\infty}V_ne^{ih_n}\left(\frac{1}{\sqrt{L}}e^{i(kx+h_nma)}\right)\end{align}$$
Then, I just don't know how to do now. I have no idea how to simply and rewrite this result to prove that it really is proportional to ##W_{k+h_n}(x)=e^{i(k+h_n)x}/\sqrt{L}##. Could you please help me? I'll really appreciate that.
 
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Hmmm, the author says "in free-electron case ##V(x)=0##, the wavefunctions are simply plane waves and can be written in the form ##W_{k}(x)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{L}}e^{ikx}##".
Then he talks about periodic potential case. I'm not sure, but do you think that substitute ##W_{k}(x)## in (4) into (1) is correct? Because formula (4) is for free-electron case :confused:
 
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Nguyen Son said:
Hmmm, the author says "in free-electron case ##V(x)=0##, the wavefunctions are simply plane waves and can be written in the form ##W_{k}(x)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{L}}e^{ikx}##".
Then he talks about periodic potential case. I'm not sure, but do you think that substitute ##W_{k}(x)## in (4) into (1) is correct? Because formula (4) is for free-electron case :confused:
Well... Hmm... I'm not sure, but he also said "the plane waves (4) constitute a complete set of orthonormal functions, that can be conveniently used as an expansion set." Does that mean substitute ##W_{k}(x)## into (1) is correct? =0=
 
Wait a minute... suppose that we can use formula (4) for this case and put into (1), it's really simple
\begin{align}
\frac{-\hbar^{2}}{2m} \nabla^2 W_{k}(x)+V(x)W_{k}(x)&=\frac{-\hbar^{2}}{2m} \nabla^2 \frac{1}{\sqrt{L}}e^{ikx}+ \sum_{n=-\infty}^\infty V(h_{n})e^{ih_{n}x}\frac{1}{\sqrt{L}}e^{ikx}
\nonumber \\
&=\frac{\hbar^{2}k^{2}}{2m} W_{k}(x) + \sum_{n=-\infty}^\infty V(h_{n})\frac{1}{\sqrt{L}}e^{i(k+h_{n})x}
\nonumber \\
&=\frac{\hbar^{2}k^{2}}{2m} W_{k}(x) + \sum_{n=-\infty}^\infty V(h_{n})W_{k+h_{n}}(x)
\nonumber
\end{align}
So it's belong to that subspace ##S_{k}## above
 
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Oh! Haha. I'm so stupid that I didn't see it. Thank you so much! I understand it now :D
 
Oh you're welcome but don't say you're stupid. I think it's a conventional situation when we prove a formula/relation, we usually want to expand everything, substitute everything from everywhere to see the expected result at the end of the progression, but the result goes too far away that we couldn't see the relation :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:
 
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