Is Equating Energies a Better Solution for Finding Extension Under Spring Force?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a problem involving a mass hanging from a spring and the methods for determining the spring constant. Participants explore whether to equate forces or energies to find the extension of the spring.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants discuss the approach of equating forces (mg = kx) versus equating energies (mgx = 1/2 kx^2). There is a question about the implications of the mass having velocity at the point of force equilibrium.

Discussion Status

Participants are engaging in a productive exploration of the problem, with some clarifying the conditions under which the mass is described as hanging versus being released. There is acknowledgment of different interpretations regarding energy conservation based on the scenario presented.

Contextual Notes

There is a focus on the static condition of the mass hanging from the spring, with discussions about the implications of the wording in the problem statement on the approach to solving it.

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Homework Statement
An 8 kg mass hangs from a spring and and stretches it by 16 cm beyond its natural lenght find k of the spring
Relevant Equations
F=kx
Its a very basic problem and my friend suggested a solution that we should equate mg and kx ie mg=kx and just plug in m=8 and x=0.16 but i think that we should equate the energies like mgx=1/2kx^2 ie because at the point where mg will be equal to kx the mass will still have a velocity hence it will not be the final extension am i correct??
 
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Prabs3257 said:
Homework Statement: An 8 kg mass hangs from a spring and and stretches it by 16 cm beyond its natural length find k of the spring
Homework Equations: F=kx

Its a very basic problem and my friend suggested a solution that we should equate mg and kx ie mg=kx and just plug in m=8 and x=0.16 but i think that we should equate the energies like mgx=1/2kx^2 ie because at the point where mg will be equal to kx the mass will still have a velocity hence it will not be the final extension am i correct??
It "hangs from", not "is attached to and then released", so it describes a static condition.
 
Oh ok now i get it thanks
 
haruspex said:
It "hangs from", not "is attached to and then released", so it describes a static condition.
if it was written is attatched to and then released then we would conserve energy right ?? If yes then Coz of the same reason i gave right ??
 
Prabs3257 said:
if it was written is attatched to and then released then we would conserve energy right ?? If yes then Coz of the same reason i gave right ??
Yes, if we read the given extension as being the maximum.
 
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