Is f(x) = (x^2-2x+2)/(2x^2+2x+2) Surjective?

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The discussion revolves around determining the surjectivity and injectivity of the function f(x) = (x^2-2x+2)/(2x^2+2x+2). The original poster expresses uncertainty about the function being neither injective nor surjective, despite the question implying a definitive classification.

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  • The original poster attempts to analyze the function by graphing it and observing intersections with horizontal lines to assess injectivity and surjectivity. They question whether the function can map to all real numbers, particularly noting the absence of real numbers that yield a function value of -1.

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Participants are exploring the implications of the function's behavior based on graphical analysis and algebraic manipulation. Some guidance is offered regarding completing the square for clarity, and there is a recognition of the challenges in determining surjectivity based on the function's range.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the assumptions regarding the function's mapping capabilities, particularly concerning negative values and the implications for surjectivity. The original poster is navigating homework constraints and seeking clarification without direct solutions.

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Find whether the following function is injective and/or surjective:
f(x)= (x^2-2x+2)/(2x^2+2x+2)


Basically, I just need to know if it is surjective. I don't want any proof because I should work it out myself seen as it is homework haha. I have a done it a few different ways and came out with the answer that it is neither, however, the way the question is worded seems like it should be one or the other or both.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you
 
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Hi Dollydaggerxo! Welcome to PF! :smile:

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Dollydaggerxo said:
… I have a done it a few different ways and came out with the answer that it is neither, however, the way the question is worded seems like it should be one or the other or both.

Show us how you got your answer, and then we'll see what went wrong. :wink:
 
oh i didnt see that haha thanks :)

and well, I constructed the graph of it, and since there is a horizontal line that intersects it more than once, I have concluded that it is not injective.

for the surjectvity, I have it isn't surjective because if you were to construct a horizontal line at say, -1, it wouldn't intersect it. Therefore it is not surjective for R -> R but perhaps for R -> R+o
also for the surjectivity, I found that there is no real number, x, such that the function = -1
(i apologise for the rubbish symbols!)
 
ok but messy

in particular, for the surjectivity, it would be neater to complete the squares, and then consider whether certain things can be negative. :wink:
 
oh yes i could do that...
neither could be negative, which means its not surjective because a positive/positive cannot be negative and therefore cannot be mapped onto every real number?

sorry for all the questions, I appreciate your help.

so is it neither? was that right or not?
Thank you
 
Dollydaggerxo said:
neither could be negative, which means its not surjective because a positive/positive cannot be negative and therefore cannot be mapped onto every real number?

Yup! :biggrin:
so is it neither? was that right or not?

Yes, that was right. :smile:
 
Okay, thanks for your help, greatly appreciated! :)
 

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