Is Free Will Possible for Bacteria?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of free will in the context of bacteria, exploring whether these microorganisms can be considered to possess free will or consciousness. Participants examine the implications of bacterial behavior, decision-making, and the philosophical complexities surrounding the definition of free will.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that bacteria do not exhibit free will as their actions are driven by simple stimuli, such as moving towards food or away from unpleasant conditions.
  • Others suggest that while bacteria can act as agents, the absence of consciousness implies they cannot possess free will.
  • A participant notes the significant biological overlap between humans and bacteria, proposing that this raises questions about the nature of free will in humans as well.
  • One contribution highlights that bacteria under stress may make decisions influenced by the behavior of other bacteria, suggesting a form of collective decision-making.
  • Another participant introduces the idea that the term "free will" may carry philosophical baggage, and proposes that alternative terms like "local noise" could be more neutral in discussions about decision-making.
  • There is a mention of quantum mechanics as a potential framework for exploring concepts related to free will, although its relevance to the discussion remains unclear.
  • A later reply emphasizes that bacteria, despite lacking free will, can be successful as a collective, questioning the necessity of free will for success.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether bacteria possess free will. Multiple competing views are presented regarding the definitions and implications of free will, consciousness, and decision-making in bacteria.

Contextual Notes

The discussion touches on complex philosophical questions about the nature of free will and consciousness, which remain unresolved. The relationship between biological processes and the concept of agency is also highlighted, but assumptions and definitions are not fully explored.

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I was discussing the concept of free will with my professor and he asked me to ponder over the question of whether bacteria has free will. I answered no as everything it does has a simple reason like it will move towards food whereas it will move away from an unpleasant area and so on. It doesn't (as far as I know) dispay emotions or curiosty etc, like us.

Any discussion/views on the topic would be welcomed.
 
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Whilst we don't have a solution to the hard problem of consciousness (in otherwords we cannot explain exactly how consciousness arises and what it is) all of what we do know points to bacteria not being conscious beings. As such they can be agents (i.e. capable of action) but without consciousness there can't really be will.

Having said all that your professor was probably just trying to get you to think of free will in general and uses the example of a bacteria as a good frame for this. The reason being that the difference between us and bacteria is relatively small; we too are a culmination of chemical reactions but there is both a qualitative and quantitative difference between us (though examples of elephants and redwoods would point to the latter not being significant).

Lastly "free will" is a long and complex debate in itself as to whether or not the term even makes sense and what it could mean. See the philosophy forum for more on that.
 
I read this interesting article a while back, which suggests bacteria under stress have to make decisions, and their decisions are dependent on what other bacteria decide:

http://murj.mit.edu/news/world/16
 
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OP: do humans have free will?

atyy said:
Another interesting place to look is in quantum mechanics, eg:
Reality, locality, and “free will”
Local Deterministic Model of Singlet State Correlations Based on Relaxing Measurement Independence

I think that use of the term "free will" in the first link is kind of irrelevant to the actual paradoxical idea of free will. You could just replace "free will" with "local noise" and it would be functionally identical, only the words "free will" brings a bunch of philosophical baggage with it, whereas "local noise" remains neutral about the noise source.
 
Bacteria may not have free will, but they are collectively very successful. Who needs free will?
 
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