Is Gravity Emergent? Answers to Pre-Big Bang Questions

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The discussion revolves around the nature of gravity and its relationship to mass, particularly in the context of the pre-Big Bang scenario. Participants explore whether gravity existed before mass and the implications of such a relationship, touching on theoretical concepts and personal interpretations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that gravity must have existed at the pre-Big Bang stage, questioning the sequence of gravity and mass.
  • One participant humorously suggests that "the egg came first," indicating a playful take on the question.
  • Another participant argues that gravity can exist independently of mass, citing that mass is just one source of gravity, along with radiation and the Cosmological Constant.
  • A later reply challenges the clarity of the original question, stating that both "gravity" and "mass" are ambiguous terms and suggesting that the question may not be well-defined.
  • There is a reminder that personal speculations are not allowed, emphasizing the need for discussions to be based on valid references.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between gravity and mass, with no consensus reached on the question of which came first. The discussion remains unresolved with competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

The ambiguity of the terms "gravity" and "mass" is noted as a limitation in the discussion, affecting the clarity of the questions posed.

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I thing by my logic that gravity must have been at the pre bang stage, but then what did came first gravity or mass?
 
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The egg came first. Definitely, the egg...
 
wolram said:
I thing by my logic that gravity must have been at the pre bang stage, but then what did came first gravity or mass?
Gravity curves spacetime. It doesn't require that mass exists. Mass is one possible source of gravity, others are e.g. radiation or the Cosmological Constant.
So from this it seems the question "what did came first gravity or mass?" doesn't make sense.
 
wolram said:
I thing by my logic that gravity must have been at the pre bang stage

Personal speculations are not allowed here. Discussions should be based on valid references, not your "logic".

wolram said:
what did came first gravity or mass?

This question is not well-defined since both "gravity" and "mass" are ambiguous terms. I suggest that you consult some references and start a new thread with a better defined question that has a better basis. This thread is closed.
 
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