Is H a Subgroup of G in an Abelian Group?

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The discussion revolves around whether the subset H of an Abelian group G, defined as the set of elements whose squares equal the identity element, is a subgroup of G. Participants explore the necessary conditions for H to qualify as a subgroup and question the role of the Abelian property in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants attempt to prove the subgroup criteria, particularly focusing on closure under the group operation. There are discussions about the implications of the Abelian property and whether it is necessary for the proof. Some participants question the initial assumptions and clarify definitions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback and suggestions for refining arguments. There is a recognition of the need to demonstrate closure under multiplication and to clarify the implications of the Abelian property. Some participants express uncertainty about their reasoning and seek guidance.

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There are mentions of specific group properties and examples, such as the dihedral group D6, to illustrate points about the necessity of the Abelian condition. Participants also note that the operation in question is not strictly multiplication but a binary operation defined on G.

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Homework Statement


Let <G, *> be an Abelian group with the identity element, e. Let H = {g ε G| g2 = e}. That is, H is the set of all members of G whose squares are the identity.

(i) Prove that H is a subgroup of G.
(ii) Was being Abelian a necessary condition?

Homework Equations


For any subset H of G there are four conditions it must satisfy in order to be classified as a subgroup of G:
1. H is closed under *
2. * is associative
3. The identity, e, of G is also in H
4. For each a in H, the inverse of a, a-1, is also in H

The Attempt at a Solution


(i) In an attempt to solve this problem, I tried to prove each of the above four conditions:
1. g2*g2
g2 + 2
g4
(g2)2
Therefore, H is closed under *

2. (g*g)*g = g*(g*g)
e * g = g * e
g = g
Thus, * is associative

3. e*e = e
e = e
Yes, e is in H

4. g*g = e
(g-1)*g*g = (g-1)*e
e * g = (g-1)
g = (g-1)
Therefore, (g-1) is in H

Thus, H is a subgroup of G.
(ii) No, G being Abelian was not a necessary condition (?)


I would really appreciate it if someone could look over my above work. I am not confident in the answer I provided, especially since I did not use the Abelian condition. Thank you for any guidance!
 
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1. g2*g2
g2 + 2
g4
(g2)2
Therefore, H is closed under *

Careful here: you are confusing H={g ε G: g^2=e} with a different set, {g^2: g ε G}.
 
g2*g2 = e
g2 + 2 = e
g4 = e
(g2)2 = e
Therefore, H is closed under *

does this fix the issue?
 
All you have done is show that g times itself is in H. That does NOT show that H is closed under multiplication.

Suppose a and b are in H. Then a^2= 1 and b^2= 1. So what can you say about (ab)^2?

By the way, as the conditions for a subgroup you give
1. H is closed under *
2. * is associative
3. The identity, e, of G is also in H
4. For each a in H, the inverse of a, a-1, is also in H

You do NOT need to prove (2), that the operation is associative. Since that is the operation "inherited" from G you alredy know that the operation is associative from the fact that G is a group.
 
Thank you, all of this input is very helpful!

In my original post I should have made it more clear that * in this case does not represent multiplication but rather any binary operation on G. Therefore, sn = s*s*s...n times and sa * sb = s(a+b)

Let me try again:
Let a, b be elements of the set H such that a2=e and b2=e

a*b = e
a * b = a * a replacing e with a*a
b = a by the left cancellation law
?

Or should I begin with a2 and b2?
so that
a2 * b2 = e
e * e = e
e = e
?
 
Let a, b be elements of the set H such that a2=e and b2=e

a*b = e
a * b = a * a replacing e with a*a
b = a by the left cancellation law
?

Or should I begin with a2 and b2?
so that
a2 * b2 = e
e * e = e
e = e
?

Not quite. You have to show that if a,b are in H, then a*b is in H. You can't assume that a*b=e. Hint: consider (a*b)*(a*b) and use the fact that * is commutative.
 
jr16 said:
(ii) No, G being Abelian was not a necessary condition (?)

Let G = D6 and notice that s2 = e and that (sr)2=(sr)(r-1s) = e. But s(sr) = r and r2 ≠ e.
 
Thank you all again for your great responses!

I had a small epiphane over breakfast this morning haha
It involves something that A. Bahat just brought up, so maybe I finally have it right this time?

Prove: a * b = e
(a * b)2 = e2 by squaring both sides
(a * b) * (a * b) = e * e
a * (b * a) * b = e by the associative property
a * (a * b) * a = e by the commutative property (thus, Abelian condition is necessary)
(a * a) * (b * b) = e by the associative property
(e) * (e) = e
e = e
Therefore, H is closed under *
?
 
jr16 said:
Prove: a * b = e
(a * b)2 = e2 by squaring both sides
(a * b) * (a * b) = e * e
a * (b * a) * b = e by the associative property
a * (a * b) * a = e by the commutative property (thus, Abelian condition is necessary)
(a * a) * (b * b) = e by the associative property
(e) * (e) = e
e = e
Therefore, H is closed under *

You are not trying to prove that a,b \in H implies ab = e. You are trying to prove that if a,b \in H, then (ab)^2 = e. You can do this in essentially the same way as your work above indicates.

You should also note that just because you use the fact that G is abelian does not mean that it is necessary for the proof. It suggests that it is necessary, but you need to provide an example where the result fails if G is non-abelian in order to show that G abelian was necessary.
 
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ah OK, let's give this another try then :)

Prove: (a*b)2 = e
(a * b) * (a * b) = LS
a * (b * a) * b = LS
a * (a * b) * b = LS
(a * a) * (b * b) = LS
(e) * (e) = LS
e = LS = RS
Therefore, H is closed under *

Is this correct?
 
  • #11
Yep. I am assuming that LS means left-hand side and RS means right-hand side.
 
  • #12
There's a theorem that says subset H is a subgroup of G iff for any α, β in H, α*β^{-1} is in H. I think this would simplify your proof.
 

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