Is Infinite Energy Achievable Through Infinite Regress?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of infinite energy and its relation to infinite regress, exploring whether infinite energy is achievable and the implications of such a notion within the context of physics and mathematics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that if infinite regress is true, it could imply the existence of infinite energy.
  • Others argue that the term "infinite" requires clear definition, as it has various meanings in mathematics and is not commonly used in physics.
  • One participant states that there is no loss of energy, only an increase in entropy over time.
  • Another participant proposes that energy remains constant while entropy increases, emphasizing that space appears discrete and finite, referencing Penrose spin networks as a visualization.
  • There are mentions of theories such as the "big bounce" and quantum approaches that suggest energy and information in a given space are finite, with vacuum energy potentially being a source.
  • A participant provides a link to a theory discussing the finiteness of space structure through loop quantum gravity, indicating a preference for accessible explanations without complex mathematics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of energy, entropy, and the implications of infinite regress, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without consensus.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the need for precise definitions of "infinite," the dependence on specific theoretical frameworks, and unresolved questions regarding the implications of entropy and energy conservation.

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It seems that our perception of time is inter-related to the loss of energy and order over time. If infinite regress were true when that means infinite energy right?


So can we have infinite energy? Is there infinite regress? Can we even have infinite energy?
 
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You will have to define what YOU mean by "infinite". It has several different meanings in different kinds of mathematics and, as far as I know, is not used in Physics.
 
There is no loss of energy, only increase of entropy.
 
"...So can we have infinite energy? Is there infinite regress? Can we even have infinite energy?.."

Energy remains constant, entropy increases and information disperses over time in our universe.

Because space now appears discrete and finite, use Penrose spin networks as a visualization, (they looks like a geodesic dome with discrete value nodes and links) example, not infinitely continuous, best theory is that energy and information in a given space are also finite...this is strongly suggested by the finite information on the event horizon of a black hole...

There are also now theories of the big bang arising from finite conditions..."big bounce" is once such formulation, quantum approaches offer others as well...in these only a quantum fluctuation which suddenly evolves space,time,energy is possible...vacuum energy could be the source...
 
For those interested, the finiteness not "infinitness" of space structure is discussed via the theory of loop quantum gravity...see the abstract summary at...

http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2008-5/index.html

for an overview without any "hipper dipper" (complex) math..
 
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