Is it just me or is PF dying?

[DaveC426913]

But again, this is intended to serve as an aide, not as a substitute for judgement.

At the risk of sounding trite, the road to heck is paved with good intentions.
What it is 'intended' to do is meaningless. The issue is how will it be used. And PF has little control over that.

PF can't prevent posters from saying 'Your best answer is over here. Listen to this guy instead'.
PF can't prevent people from simply stopping with discussions, and preferring what they think is The One True Answer.
PF can't prevent low-rep posters from feeling intimidated into not posting.

 

[WWGD]

At the risk of sounding trite, the road to heck is paved with good intentions.
What it is 'intended' to do is meaningless. The issue is how will it be used. And PF has little control over that.

PF can't prevent posters from saying 'Your best answer is over here. Listen to this guy instead'.
PF can't prevent people from simply stopping with discussions, and preferring what they think is The One True Answer.
PF can't prevent low-rep posters from feeling intimidated into not posting.

I don't intend to force, nor pressure anyone to accept this, but you can design a measure that takes these issues into account.

 

[DaveC426913]

...you can design a measure that takes these issues into account.

Well, that's the question that's on the table, isn't it: Can you design a system that helps rather than hinders? Help what? Hinder what? You wouldn't know if you had until you saw it working.

I think the first hurdle, which is one of the things that triggers my alarms, is:

What exactly is the intent here? Define what it is intended to accomplish, specifically with reference to what PF is about (a place for answers, yes, but also for discussion).

Let me set up a situation. Let's set aside the 'how', let's say it is magic. As a user with a question, I press the Big Red Button, and what happens? I am taken to The Answer?What if this became so successful that we managed to post a definitive answer for every question asked to-date? Would PF become simply a physics-Wiki with post-traffic dropping precipitously? Is that a successful outcome?

 

[WWGD]

Well, that's the question that's on the table, isn't it: Can you design a system that helps rather than hinders? Help what? Hinder what? You wouldn't know if you had until you saw it working.

I think the first hurdle, which is one of the things that triggers my alarms, is:

What exactly is the intent here? Define what it is intended to accomplish, specifically with reference to what PF is about (a place for answers, yes, but also for discussion).

Let me set up a situation. Let's set aside the 'how', let's say it is magic. As a user with a question, I press the Big Red Button, and what happens? I am taken to The Answer?What if this became so successful that we managed to post a definitive answer for every question asked to-date? Would PF become simply a physics-Wiki with post-traffic dropping precipitously? Is that a successful outcome?

I will try to come up with something more concrete to illustrate my idea.

Still, at the end of the day, you can test-drive any new idea and drop it if you think it is not helpful

 

[mkay]

I remember browsing the general discussion and it had new and interesting posts/threads every day. Nowadays, it seems to be the same person creating new threads, perhaps in order to keep it alive?

Even though my account is new, I've been with PF for some years. The change of forum-software was an absolute god-send and a fantastic move. The forum is much much better. I'm not sure what causes the decline in activity (obviously), but it probably comes down to fewer people being interested in physics and forums.

I recently browsed a bitcoin's forum (bitcointalk.org) and was amazed at how many people used that forum. The software is bad (SMF) and much of the activity is spam/trash but one can argue that forums are not, by itself, a dead media.

Perhaps with the recent physics related movies/news PF will gain some much needed users.

 

[Greg Bernhardt]

but it probably comes down to fewer people being interested in physics

Physics in general does need to get some mojo back
https://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=physics

 

[mfb]

You mean it was more popular than bread in 2005?

 

[Greg Bernhardt]

You mean it was more popular than bread in 2005?

I've learned not to doubt the minds at Google. Who searches for bread anyway :D

 

[Guapa]

Well, that's the question that's on the table, isn't it: Can you design a system that helps rather than hinders? Help what? Hinder what? You wouldn't know if you had until you saw it working.

I think the first hurdle, which is one of the things that triggers my alarms, is:

What exactly is the intent here? Define what it is intended to accomplish, specifically with reference to what PF is about (a place for answers, yes, but also for discussion).

Let me set up a situation. Let's set aside the 'how', let's say it is magic. As a user with a question, I press the Big Red Button, and what happens? I am taken to The Answer?What if this became so successful that we managed to post a definitive answer for every question asked to-date? Would PF become simply a physics-Wiki with post-traffic dropping precipitously? Is that a successful outcome?

You have a very interesting forum, Joe/Jane we (a nobody) has no easy access to ask questions of Science (unless we are in some sort of school) and you guys have experts that answer those questions. And reading through them every one has a different way to state the same fact, (Helps a lot). Some guys use simple words and very direct, others could come from top to bottom a bit more complex for my taste. At the end you guys helped someone.

All the way from kids to students, also kids that are homeschool ( I am a home-school sort of person) can reach one of your people and get a good answer or help. A Wikiphysics will not do that, or could not and we had to go trhough pages and pages and pages until get some concrete answer, or not even get the answer to the question because the article tend to go more complex and it never got my answer, what I need to know, but a bogus idea. And some times those articles could be more complex than what the questioner was interested to know. I understand that some questions does not have simple answers, and having several experts in the same filed can come up with different ways to explain, than an simple book answer, that might not really answer the question. Sorry if I am redundant.

I would say your experts love their area so much to come here and share with anyone that is willing to know about their subject. You do a great favor to society in many ways. I think it will be great that your forum should be known in libraries and also for the people that home school their kids, you certainly are a big helping hand (if that was the initial intention)

But to get the bran off the grain, which for the very best or important might be Ok, but has render not so nutritionally benefits as the whole grain.

Or in different terms we absolutely wants the positive but we do not want the negative, but for effects of having the greatness of electricity we need both!

Anyhow, I enjoy your forum over a good cup of coffe, Just like I enjoy solving math problems after breakfast.
Cheers!

 

[dlgoff]

I've learned not to doubt the minds at Google. Who searches for bread anyway :D

When mfb said,

You mean it was more popular than bread in 2005?

he wasn't considering this.

... Science Colloquium, students explored the chemistry, microbiology and physics involved in transforming seed into bread ...

 

[harrylin]

Go ahead and look at my profile, I've been around here for over 10+ years. Increasingly I find myself checking PF less and less. We've lost wildly popular and famous posters over the years. Why is this happening? Is it just me or does there seem to be less and less traffic on PF? I remember when the general forum (and many other subforums) used to have almost all new threads on the first page within a day or two, now there are still threads from Aug. on the 1st page and almost as many locked threads as ones still open.

I dunno, but personally I've found this place often times becoming too abrasive and too toxic. [..] why is there the need to close threads and give a verbal smack down?
[..] if a thread or discussion annoys or bothers you, why not just ignore it instead of locking it? As a long time member, lurker, and poster here, I just feel like rule with the iron fist is backfiring (and this is where I expect the deluge of posts from the PF upper echelon members to start giving responses tantamount to something like 'rules are rules, if you don't like it you can leave or be banned'). [..] if I got some of the responses to some of my posts then as what I see posted now, I would definitely be rubbed the wrong way and would never return to this place ever again or would be discouraged from even making a new account if I were a lurker. What can be done to improve traffic, thread creation, and discussion volume and for more people to check this place more often? I don't want to sound like a hate or anything, but I mean come on, it only takes 2 seconds to check what the webtraffic and the global website ranking history has been over the years and it has steadily declined. My $.02.

You are referring, I think, to what is visible for the public; however in addition to that, such things also happen invisibly for the public. My participation is slowly reducing and just now I am (again) considering to abandon PF entirely, simply because the mentoring process is flawed. It's too optimistic to assume that mentors will participate in discussions without abusing their powers. In reality, discussions are often(?) misleading as they are invisibly manipulated (edited) to express the views of participating mentors by means of deletions of inconvenient posts (even statements of facts!) and/or thread locking at a convenient point. In view of another fresh disappointment along these lines, I now think that it may be better to stop supporting this forum, regretfully. I know of several high quality participants who experienced the same but who were more assertive than I am, so they got simply kicked out. The end result is the same: less high quality participants.
My $.01...

 

[Greg Bernhardt]

I'm afraid this thread is now in danger of being used as a platform for disgruntled members who receive warnings. That is not the purpose of this thread.

PF is flat out not dying, but there are natural ebbs and flows. PF staff and advisors are always working hard to improve our community. Which quite frankly is still the best Physics and Science community on the web by light years. This is due to our dedicated staff and excellent member base who all work together in forming our community. Communication is key so please continue reaching out to us with any thoughts and feedback you have by starting a new thread or PMing a staff member. Thanks!