Is It Overprotective to Limit a Partner's Friendships?

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The discussion revolves around a relationship where one partner feels threatened by the girlfriend's friendship with a guy who has expressed romantic interest in her. Despite the girlfriend's reassurances of fidelity, the boyfriend's jealousy leads him to impose restrictions on her interactions with this friend, causing tension in their relationship. Forum contributors argue that the boyfriend's controlling behavior could push her closer to the other guy, suggesting that he should express his concerns respectfully rather than enforce limitations. They emphasize the importance of trust and communication, advising that if trust cannot be established, the relationship may not be sustainable. Ultimately, the situation highlights the complexities of boundaries and trust in romantic relationships.
  • #61
The reality of an intimate relationship vs. the reality of a friendship PERCEIVED to be intimate by someone who "lets" their girlfriend do or not do things...

I'm not impressed.
 
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  • #62
Monique said:
I totally agree that it is unhealthy for your girlfriend to develop an intimate relationship with another guy.

Why ? It's her alone which can decide what is healthy for her.
 
  • #63
DanP said:
Why ? It's her alone which can decide what is healthy for her.

So you think it's all right to develop an intimate relationship with one person while already sharing one with another?
 
  • #64
DanP said:
Why ? It's her alone which can decide what is healthy for her.
What's healthy for her doesn't mean what's healthy for a relationship. Building an emotional attachment to someone other than your partner isn't healthy, unless you don't believe in monogamous relationships. It might start out innocent, but why would you want to risk letting it progress into something more serious? Mentallic definitely cannot forbid her having contact with him (imo), but I think he is right in setting limits. I do agree that by being overbearing you might actually drive her into the arms of another, so keep it sensible.
 
  • #65
Mentallic said:
Well, this guy likes my girlfriend and he's about to spend a whole day alone with her. I'd like to think he's going to be talking to her all day about what they did the week before, but it's not likely...

This is where you fault lies. It's irrelevant whatever he captured her attention sleeping with her, or talking with her about Snow White. He did :P

Mentallic said:
I invaded her privacy this one time. I don't make it a daily ritual to check through her phone...

It is never justified. to invade one's privacy. Not once, nor ever. Yeah, yeah, most humans doit. Because they need some kind of explanation, proof, some kind of closure. But in fact the things are much more simple. If she doesn't deliver what you want, move on. Rest is irrelevant.

Mentallic said:
Since when? You're basing this claim on this one occurrence.

You clearly stated this is not the first occurrence.

We have come across similar situations in the past and I did exactly that. She would obey my wishes because she agrees with me.

She doesn't agree with you. She does it time and again, it seems. By your own testimony.
Think for a second, why would she do that is she gives a damn about you.
Mentallic said:
I'm pretty sure I can tell when she's being sincere about something.

You are pretty infatuated with her. Infatuation breeds blindness. You doubt her from the very core of your being, else we would not have this conversation here on a public board.
You don't know what to believe. This is why this thread exist.
 
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  • #66
...Or she could just be friends and the OP is controlling. We have no way to know, except that this relationship should either be actively salvaged through honest means, or terminated. We don't diagnose a medical condition, but you think you can figure out two sides of a romance online? Cute.
 
  • #67
Char. Limit said:
So you think it's all right to develop an intimate relationship with one person while already sharing one with another?

Sure it is. Most of the time this is how things work in the wild. Its natural. I'm not debating 2 penny ethics here. This is how things happen. There is no sharp definition. Growing apart is most of the time blurred. The final blow for a relationship is usually sharp, but the way to it is blurred to hell.
 
  • #68
Monique said:
What's healthy for her doesn't mean what's healthy for a relationship.

This is what I call nice theory. Most of humans act on what is healthy for them, and not what is healthy for abstract ideas. And relationship ethics become pretty much abstract when you want what's best for yourself. It;s just an experience after all. Beeing true to yourself is the healthiest thing you can do in your life. Might not be always ethical, but well, at hell with ethics. A couple should not stay together because of ethics. This is why I call unhealthy, to spend you life in a "ethical" cage.
 
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  • #69
IcedEcliptic said:
...Or she could just be friends and the OP is controlling. We have no way to know, except that this relationship should either be actively salvaged through honest means, or terminated. We don't diagnose a medical condition, but you think you can figure out two sides of a romance online? Cute.

Yeah, but would you keep a women who is just friends with another man and end up spending a significant time with the friend ? It boils down to how much you want to compromise. If it works for you, OK. If you are frustrated to hell, why bother. Life is too short. :devil:
 
  • #70
I do believe that both sides in a relationship should at least try to respect each other's wishes, which would include bumbling into a relationship with another guy which your boyfriend is cautioning against. Mentallic may have overreacted, but it was his girlfriend who started this whole problem.
 
  • #71
Char. Limit said:
Mentallic may have overreacted, but it was his girlfriend who started this whole problem.

It might be, it might be not. We don't know. What do you know about OP ? Nothing at all, what he said about himself doesn't count. You need to hear the other side story.

All we have here so far is a guy frustrated with his women.
 
  • #72
While looking into her phone is obviously a bad move, I can sympathise with the OP and I can see how he ended up doing it. This other person is obviously interested in his girlfriend and he has no way to defend against this threat to the relationship that he and she enjoys. Can anyone honestly say they have never been tempted to look at their girlfriends phone in this situtation. The OP's mistake was actually doing it.

I think you should just come clean. This is still her decision and you need to start making some of those hard decisions as they apply to you. Apologize for invading her privacy, and explain how this is making you feel. If you were sitting here with me I would avoid using the words "feel" and talking about your emotions, but as this is the internet I don't have the option of cracking a beer with you and grunting this one out.

While it might be hard for some here to believe, I agree that 90% percent of the time a guy and a girl can not have a close relationship without a sexual component/attraction developing. I have never seen it happen anywhere, but telivision. And of course every time it happened on TV the guy is gay.

If you lay it all out with her and leave it up to her how to continue, you should be prepared to move on if she chooses to continue talking to him because she wants to spare his feelings, but is willing to sacrifice your feeling in the process.

I think she probably genuinly loves you, but has gotten comfortable enough with you that she doesn't feel that she can hurt you by dealing with this guy.

Honestly though from my perspective, if this guy was making the same moves on my girlfriend at a party where I was present it would be game on. Men should share a certain mutual respect when it comes to other's relationships. It may not be PC or in line with the modern women, but look at what happens in the wild if a male lion tries to move in on another lions mate. It's biological. You just have to behave like a human and consider the rights of you're lioness.

You have to trust her, once you stop trusting her you might as well break it off now. You would only be miserable from here on out.
 
  • #73
Yes, of course people in a relationship should respect each other's wishes, assuming those wishes are reasonable and don't infringe upon the basic personhood of either of the people. I've had people I was involved with tell me what I could and couldn't do based on things that they did or didn't like when it was none of their business and didn't affect them in any way, but they thought they had the right to dictate what went on in my life. I'm sharing with you. You don't own me.

And this fellow does not own this girl. He says, point-blank, repeatedly, that he believes that controlling her is appropriate "occasionally". It's never appropriate in an adult relationship. You have to limit and control the actions of a child who is under your care and supervision, yes, but your equal and your partner? Never. It is never, ever about control. And shouldn't be. You can control yourself and your own actions. You can set limits and boundaries (as Monique pointed out) and say, "I'm not comfortable with this kind of behaviour or these circumstances". You talk about it. You sort through it. You do not ever tell your partner, "I forbid you" or "You are not allowed to". And I sincerely doubt that Evo would stand for that for three seconds.

As far as we've heard, the girl has developed a friendship with a fellow who sounds -- to me -- as if he's playing the "wounded puppy" card that that so many guys like to play on young women. Or maybe the guy's sincere and actually is a wounded puppy, although in conversation with the OP, he said something about the OP "winning" so, it sounds like a player situation to me. We're not getting the whole story, but gads I've heard and lived this story before or something awfully close to it.

So the OP fears his girlfriend may get sucked in. She very well may. She may get sucked into that, "Oh, nobody understands this poor lost soul but me!" scenario in which she further believes that she'll be the one and only person to show him how truly worthy of love he is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then she'll get used, and squashed, and dumped on her head. There's nothing anyone can do to prevent that. You can point it out to her, but if she doesn't want to listen, she won't.

If she's committed to her relationship, then no one else can interfere with that, even someone who has amorous intent for her. But, you see, you can't go around cutting everyone out of your life who your partner doesn't like or feel comfortable with, because controlling people are awfully, awfully good at isolating you. You have to maintain the integrity of your own person -- and that goes for both people involved in here -- and know where your limits are. If the OP's limits are that he can't tolerate her relationship with the fellow, then he has to make that plain. He can't demand or limit or "allow" or "disallow" anything. That's not his right. He can make decisions for himself based on his own boundaries. And she has to make decisions for herself based on her own boundaries.

Again, if you're doing something that makes your partner feel uncomfortable, then yes, you should sit down and honestly think about what you're doing and whether or not it's intrinsic to who you are and whether or not it realistically has anything to do with the other person. (Example: one of my exes was very uncomfortable with me wearing high-heeled shoes and dressing nicely. [Note: he was almost six inches taller than me, so that wasn't the issue.] He just didn't like me looking nice in the eyes of other people. I decided that was none of his business. Guess how long that lasted?)

And he has to set his boundaries too. If he can't live with what's going on, then talk about it. If that doesn't resolve the issue, then he has to make some decisions. However, no, "controlling" isn't ever part of the equation in a fair, mutual, adult relationship. Ever.
 
  • #74
Pattonias said:
While looking into her phone is obviously a bad move, I can sympathise with the OP and I can see how he ended up doing it. This other person is obviously interested in his girlfriend and he has no way to defend against this threat to the relationship that he and she enjoys.

She and he enjoys ? Sorry, but if she is looking for comfort in another place is clear that she does not enjoy the relationship as much as you think to believe.

And sorry, if you feel defenseless against the threat a 3rd person may pose to your relationship, then you have another problem. One which can be pretty much summed up as lack of balls to take any action whatsoever.


Pattonias said:
Can anyone honestly say they have never been tempted to look at their girlfriends phone in this situtation. The OP's mistake was actually doing it.

What for ? If you are not happy , move on.
 
  • #75
GeorginaS said:
There's nothing anyone can do to prevent that. You can point it out to her, but if she doesn't want to listen, she won't.

Actually, beating the **** out of the other man sometimes does the trick :P Rarely indeed , but sometimes it does work.
 
  • #76
DanP said:
This is what I call nice theory. Most of humans act on what is healthy for them, and not what is healthy for abstract ideas. And relationship ethics become pretty much abstract when you want what's best for yourself. It;s just an experience after all. Beeing true to yourself is the healthiest thing you can do in your life. Might not be always ethical, but well, at hell with ethics. A couple should not stay together because of ethics. This is why I call unhealthy, to spend you life in a "ethical" cage.
That's just called being selfish. You can decide to live that way, but don't expect other people to be a victim of it, you will be trapped in the "selfish cage" and it probably can get very lonely in there.

A couple should not stay together because of ethics, they should stay together because they respect each other. Many people have testified that it's not possible for a girl to "just be friends" with a guy, I've tried it a long time ago and it indeed doesn't work. GeorginaS made some good points, tell her how you feel so that she can be sensitive to your feelings.
 
  • #77
DanP said:
She and he enjoys ? Sorry, but if she is looking for comfort in another place is clear that she does not enjoy the relationship as much as you think to believe.

And sorry, if you feel defenseless against the threat a 3rd person may pose to your relationship, then you have another problem. One which can be pretty much summed up as lack of balls to take any action whatsoever.




What for ? If you are not happy , move on.

From what I have read the OP doesn't feel defenceless. He just can't decide what defence is appropriate. It would probably make it all a lot simpler if this new guy would walk up and say "me want your girlfriend" and then allow him to respond, but that's not how real life works (usually). His girlfriend has said that he has nothing to worry about, the guy isn't interested. The OP know for a fact that the guy was interested and is still activley trying to talk to her.

She could go a long way to ease her boyfriends mind if she just let the other guy find a soul mate elseware.
 
  • #78
Monique said:
That's just called being selfish. You can decide to live that way, but don't expect other people to be a victim of it, you will be trapped in the "selfish cage" and it probably can get very lonely in there.

A couple should not stay together because of ethics, they should stay together because they respect each other. Many people have testified that it's not possible for a girl to "just be friends" with a guy, I've tried it a long time ago and it indeed doesn't work. GeorginaS made some good points, tell her how you feel so that she can be sensitive to your feelings.

You are proposing that men and women cannot be platonic friends? I would need to see some heavily reviewed studies before I buy that line.
 
  • #79
Pattonias said:
From what I have read the OP doesn't feel defenceless. He just can't decide what defence is appropriate. It would probably make it all a lot simpler if this new guy would walk up and say "me want your girlfriend" and then allow him to respond, but that's not how real life works (usually). His girlfriend has said that he has nothing to worry about, the guy isn't interested. The OP know for a fact that the guy was interested and is still activley trying to talk to her.

She could go a long way to ease her boyfriends mind if she just let the other guy find a soul mate elseware.

What is so complex here? He is the kind of person who selfishly violates the privacy of another rather than being direct. That is cowardice, and deception. I can only judge the OP by his stated actions and inaction; he's chosen a coward's way to feed his sense of security. If he has an issue here, and we all agree that honesty and respect are the center of a good relationship, this is egregious.
 
  • #80
Mentallic said:
I'm 18...

So we can assume she about the same age? that does make a difference...


Mentallic said:
and recently decided since I was with my mate and we both have never been to a strip club to try it out. She didn't like this at all and was distant to make me feel bad for it, and only stopped once all her friends heard about it and started siding with me. How is this really any different to what I did? I've never really enforced anything on her, just this one thing really got to me. I think I need to be controlling sometimes at least.

not good---let me guess, you're idea?, and she went along with it?

Younger age relationships are often trial and error.

She is still looking for more friends (and maybe more). And like you said, she may (or may not) realize that men are hitting on her rather than, in the way she thinks, of people (men) just wanting to be 'friends'----and if its happened more that once, and she's doing it again, then there's a variety of reasons 'why' she may be doing it----and if its one of several reasons, she may stop or she may continue doing it her whole life.

Taking her to a strip club, may to you seem like she's open minded, but there's hardly any middle ground it---she'll either like it as 'exciting' (aphrodisiac) or she'll think its disgusting and degrading.

Think of it another way, would you go with her to a 'male' strip club?

I still think she has a wandering mind and hasn't decided on anything yet.

Also, some (and young) women often know what they're doing and see what they can do with sexuality (flirting), and see how far they can take it.
 
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  • #81
She is clearly on the line, if not across it, but as the OP has already shown a lack of trust and confidence, I am inclined to either go with DaveC and say open up and make a loiving attempt to pt things in order... or DanP and give it up or grow some balls.

By the way, I'm a man and I find stripping pathetic. Sad women, most of whom are abuse or drug cases; I've been once in my life and I just felt badly for them. If I were a woman, I would have had an added layer of disgust.
 
  • #82
GeorginaS said:
I've had people I was involved with tell me what I could and couldn't do based on things that they did or didn't like when it was none of their business and didn't affect them in any way
And when it does affect you? If what you're doing is going to hurt them emotionally but you yourself believe that it's harmless and your friend has nothing to fear, would you be totally dumbfounded if your friend turns up the heat and becomes more forceful to express how much he truly doesn't want you to do it?

GeorginaS said:
If she's committed to her relationship, then no one else can interfere with that, even someone who has amorous intent for her. But, you see, you can't go around cutting everyone out of your life who your partner doesn't like or feel comfortable with, because controlling people are awfully, awfully good at isolating you.
You'll be surprised what can happen when people act on instinct. When I saw all the messages on her facebook, then her phone, then her msn from this guy; my first thought wasn't
"Oh, he wants my girl. Well I better let her go hang out with him so he can try and pull some moves, it's only fair since he has sexual desires like everyone else."

Why don't I just sell her to the highest bidder?

I'm not ready to face a break-up in this way...

And anyway I've already apologized to her for what I've done, I acted irrationally as a "spur of the moment" type thing.

majority of posters said:
OP, for disrespecting her privacy, you are a selfish, insecure bastard that has issues that need counselling... oh and break up with her already

All I can say is that it was just one time! I don't do this on a regular basis. I could barely even navigate her phone...
For her to be deleting inbox messages obviously meant she was expecting it. Her reason was because she knows he messages her a lot and I've seen it, she doesn't reply enough for the amount he messages her. She knew I wouldn't like it, but (from what I know) she believed that it was just out of friendship.
 
  • #83
Mentallic said:
Why don't I just sell her to the highest bidder?

Do you have the owner registration and a good title on her?

if you do, then you can sell her off...
 
  • #84
IcedEcliptic said:
You are proposing that men and women cannot be platonic friends? I would need to see some heavily reviewed studies before I buy that line.
Yes that's right. For teenagers it's very uncommon to see male and female friendships to be truly platonic. But you need heavily reviewed studies to believe that? So am I right to assume you've never been in this situation then?

rewebster said:
So we can assume she about the same age? that does make a difference...
Yes she is the same age. Why, what was everyone else assuming so far?




rewebster said:
not good---let me guess, you're idea?, and she went along with it?
First of all, it was me and my mate that went to a strip club for the first time. And it was neither of our ideas, the opportunity popped into our minds when a bouncer offered us a cheap deal to get in.
But that's not the point of what I was trying to say. What I meant was that she had a problem with what I had done and said I should have called her about it before I went. At which point she would've told me she didn't want me to go and such.
We've both placed restrictions on each other at some point in our relationship, and I've never had a problem with it. Asking me to not be friends with a girl trying to hit on me is a given...
 
  • #85
I hope you got enough from this thread to help you decide what to do. I don't think you're really going to get much more from this forum. At this point, you are about to end up defending your relationship with this girl with a lot of strangers over the internet. I just hope you get enough out of this to see that you can't make your girlfriend do anything. You can just tell her what you think and hope she decides in your favor.
 
  • #86
I'm starting to wonder what some of these people think about relationships. Inferring from the comments that "she's her own person, you can't own her, let her do what she wants", is it then true that I can sleep with as many women as I want who are not my girlfriend, and if she gets angry, I can then say "you don't own me, I'm my own person"? Excellent... oh, and if this is not actually true, then you are applying a double standard, saying women should be praised for straying (Mentallic's girlfriend), while men should be vilified for the same thing (examples? pick 'em). I don't support a double standard.
 
  • #87
Mentallic said:
Yes that's right. For teenagers it's very uncommon to see male and female friendships to be truly platonic. But you need heavily reviewed studies to believe that? So am I right to assume you've never been in this situation then?

Yes she is the same age. Why, what was everyone else assuming so far?




First of all, it was me and my mate that went to a strip club for the first time. And it was neither of our ideas, the opportunity popped into our minds when a bouncer offered us a cheap deal to get in.
But that's not the point of what I was trying to say. What I meant was that she had a problem with what I had done and said I should have called her about it before I went. At which point she would've told me she didn't want me to go and such.
We've both placed restrictions on each other at some point in our relationship, and I've never had a problem with it. Asking me to not be friends with a girl trying to hit on me is a given...

If your skin is so thin that you cannot take honest opinions, do not post about your relationships in an online forum. For the platonic bit, yes, I have been there, but that is anecdotal, not in any way evidence. Welcome to physics forums. :smile:

The point of you going into her phone is that you could have confronted her, but you took the spineless route and invaded her privacy. If she did that to you, I doubt that her ineptitude with your phone would be a balm to you. If you're mature enough to be in a relationship, you're mature enough to be honest with her for better or worse. You want to control what you can only influenced, and in doing so you've compromised an ethic you seem aware of, and crossed a line.

Jealousy is fundamentally the result of insecurity, which is understandable given our nature as people. ACTING on it in an inappropriate way is not.
 
  • #88
Char. Limit said:
I'm starting to wonder what some of these people think about relationships. Inferring from the comments that "she's her own person, you can't own her, let her do what she wants", is it then true that I can sleep with as many women as I want who are not my girlfriend, and if she gets angry, I can then say "you don't own me, I'm my own person"? Excellent... oh, and if this is not actually true, then you are applying a double standard, saying women should be praised for straying (Mentallic's girlfriend), while men should be vilified for the same thing (examples? pick 'em). I don't support a double standard.

Is there a reason you can't say, "XXXX, I don't mean to sound jealous, and you may not realize this, but the time you're spending with YYYY is too much for me. I am not going to tell you who can and cannot be your friend, but what you're doing makes me worry, and that's hurting my trust in you."

or some variation. Hell, you can confront the other guy and tell him to stop bird-dogging your girlfriend. What you can't do is MAKE someone be faithful, stay with you, or choose their friends. When you've sunk to snooping around, that is smoke where there is already fire.
 
  • #89
IcedEcliptic said:
Is there a reason you can't say, "XXXX, I don't mean to sound jealous, and you may not realize this, but the time you're spending with YYYY is too much for me. I am not going to tell you who can and cannot be your friend, but what you're doing makes me worry, and that's hurting my trust in you."

or some variation. Hell, you can confront the other guy and tell him to stop bird-dogging your girlfriend. What you can't do is MAKE someone be faithful, stay with you, or choose their friends. When you've sunk to snooping around, that is smoke where there is already fire.

I actually agree with this approach totally.
 
  • #90
Pattonias said:
I actually agree with this approach totally.

Thank you, I find honesty is a good policy when you are in a relationship, even if it means an end to it. Especially for the young, relationships often linger painfully after they are walking ghosts, and honesty is the surgery which prevents cheating, snooping, jealousy...


There is nothing wrong with telling the one you love that you feel jealous, it is wrong to try and coerce. Honesty, as one would have the other do for you. Besides, maybe she has NO INTEREST in this guy, and his interest is therefore meaningless! Why stew and worry when communicating with your love is so much of the point anyway?
 

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