Is it possible to convert 2D coordinates of point to 3D form ?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the possibility of converting 2D coordinates of points, specifically the centroids of cars captured in video frames, into a 3D representation. Participants explore the implications of such a transformation, particularly in the context of calculating distances between points in 3D space, while considering the constraints of a stationary camera positioned at a height of 10 meters.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether it is possible to represent 2D points P and Q in 3D to calculate the pixel distance d(PQ), given certain assumptions about the camera's position.
  • Another participant argues that additional assumptions are necessary because converting from 3D to 2D results in a loss of information, making recovery to 3D without extra data impossible.
  • A further contribution discusses the mathematical implications of transformations, stating that linear transformations are not invertible due to dimensional reasons, and highlights the challenges of preserving properties through homeomorphisms.
  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding concepts related to homographic transformation and perspective mapping, indicating a need for clearer explanations or resources.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that converting from 2D to 3D is complex and requires additional assumptions or data, but there is no consensus on specific methods or the feasibility of the transformation without further information.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for additional assumptions and the challenges posed by dimensionality and information loss in transformations, but do not resolve these issues or provide specific mathematical frameworks.

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Hello everyone ,i have captured car positons at differents frames.http://www.imagesup.net/pt-7140205392313.png%5D%5BIMG%5Dhttp://www.imagesup.net/dt-7140205392313.png
Suppose car's(left side car which is coming towards us) centroid is at video frame1 is P(x1,y1) and Q(x2,y2) at video frame4.

1.Is it possible to represent P and Q points into 3D? so that i can calculate correct pixel distance d(PQ)?
Note:u can assume that camera is stationary, placed at height 10 m from ground level .u can also assume any suitable data if u want
 
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Not without additional assumptions. When you convert from 3D to 2D (e.g. taking a photograph) you lose information. You would have to have information not in the photo to recover that lost information.
 
To add to what HallsofIvy said, if your transformation is linear, it is not invertible, by dimension reasons. And similarly for homeomorphisms (or local homeomorphisms/diffeomorphisms ,which I assume you would want if you want to preserve some properties), not even injective (i.e., 1-1) , continuous maps, by a kind of difficult result called invariance of domain. So you basically cannot go from 3D to 2D without causing distortions. To go from 2D to 3D, you may use an embedding, like, say, (a,b) -->(a,b,0). There are many embeddings, and your choice would depend on the properties you want to preserve.
 
sir its getting difficult to understand Homographic transformation

WWGD said:
To add to what HallsofIvy said, if your transformation is linear, it is not invertible, by dimension reasons. And similarly for homeomorphisms (or local homeomorphisms/diffeomorphisms ,which I assume you would want if you want to preserve some properties), not even injective (i.e., 1-1) , continuous maps, by a kind of difficult result called invariance of domain. So you basically cannot go from 3D to 2D without causing distortions. To go from 2D to 3D, you may use an embedding, like, say, (a,b) -->(a,b,0). There are many embeddings, and your choice would depend on the properties you want to preserve.

sir its getting difficult to understand Homographic transformation and Perspective Mapping.i searched pdf on google,but not getting idea about it.
 

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