Is J a Group Under Composition of Isomorphisms?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of a set J consisting of isomorphisms from a group G to itself, specifically examining whether J forms a group under the operation of function composition. Participants are exploring the necessary group properties such as identity, inverses, closure, and associativity.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to establish the identity element in J and question how to demonstrate closure under composition. There are discussions about the nature of isomorphisms and their properties, particularly regarding inverses and homomorphisms.

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The conversation is active, with participants raising concerns about specific properties and their implications. Some have provided insights into the identity map and the necessity of demonstrating closure, while others challenge assumptions about the nature of isomorphisms and the requirements for closure in this context.

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There is an ongoing debate about whether closure must be explicitly proven, as well as the implications of function composition on the properties of isomorphisms. Participants are also considering the definitions and requirements for a set to be classified as a group.

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Given a group G. J = {[tex]\phi[/tex]: G -> G: [tex]\phi[/tex] is an isormophism}. Prove J is a group (not a subgroup!).

Well we know the operation is function composition. To demonstrate J a group we need to satisfy four properties:

(i) Identity: (I'm not sure what to do with this)
(ii) Inverses: Suppose a [tex]\phi[/tex] in J. We know that since [tex]\phi[/tex] is a one-to-one and onto function, we know that it has an inverse (demonstrated in class). Hence we know for every [tex]\phi[/tex] in J, there exists a [tex]\phi[/tex]^-1.
(iii) Closure: Suppose a [tex]\phi<sub>1</sub>[\tex] and [tex]\phi<sub>2</sub>[/tex] such that [tex]\phi[/tex]<sub>1</sub>(g)=g and [tex]\phi<sub>2</sub>[/tex](g)=g. Therefore [tex]\phi[/tex]<sub>1</sub>([tex]\phi<sub>2</sub>[/tex](g))=g. This follows from what we proved about functions in class.<br /> (iv) Associativity: This one is just moving a bunch of parentheses aroudn while composing and hoping (fingers crossed) that regardless of order of composition a g pops out.<br /> <br /> My big problem is identity.[/tex]
 
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You might know of a map that's often called the identity map - f(g) = g for all g in G. This is not a coincidence.

I take issue with points ii and iii. For point ii, you need to show that its inverse is also a homomorphism, but maybe you did that in class also.

For point iii,. you've chosen both maps to be identity maps (they map g to g) not isomorphisms.
 
How would I demonstrate closure? Since its an isomorphism from G-> G won't it just keep sending elements to itself?
 
Also, demonstrating its a homomorphism. Doesn't that immediately follow since it is a function through composition, composing a function with its inverse is kosher.
 
How would I demonstrate closure? Since its an isomorphism from G-> G won't it just keep sending elements to itself?

An isomorphism does not send an element of G to itself, it sends elements of G to elements of G. For example the function
f(x)=-x defined on the integers (with + being your group operation) is an isomorphism, but f(x) never equals x unless x is zero
 
Alright, so here is my new proof of closure:

Suppose a [tex]\phi[/tex]1(g1)=g2 and [tex]\phi[/tex]2(g2)=g3. Composing and such, it is still closed. I feel like I don't necessarily have to prove closure to demonstrate its a group just because binary operations are assumed to be closed.

Another thing is how do I demonstrate that homomorphism is preserved when demonstrating inverses and such. Since the operation is function composition, would we even have to worry about demonstrating that the action still works? Function composition is pretty versatile.
 
I feel like I don't necessarily have to prove closure to demonstrate its a group just because binary operations are assumed to be closed.

What? While it may be that you assumed that a group has a binary operation that maps to the group, and hence closure is not an axiom, you still need to show that composition works here. Otherwise, for example:

The set A of all rational numbers of the form n or 1/n, where n is a natural number, is a group under multiplication. It has inverses (1/n*n=1), identity (1) and is associative. The key element here is that I picked a binary operation which doesn't satisfy the definition of a binary operation that a group must have, i.e. multiplication here doesn't map AxA to A; for example 3*(1/2)

If [itex]\phi :G \rightarrow G[/itex] is an isomorphism, an algebraic inverse [itex]\phi ^{-1}[/itex] exists and is obviously bijective. What's left to prove is that [itex]\phi ^{-1}[/itex] is a homomorphism, namely that [itex]\phi ^{-1}(ab) = \phi ^{-1}(a) \phi ^{-1}(b)[/itex] You can write a and b in terms of [itex]\phi[/itex] since it is onto, and that should give you the result that you want
 

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