Is My Summary of the Work-Energy Theorem Accurate?

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The discussion revolves around the accuracy of a summary related to the work-energy theorem in physics. Participants explore the conditions under which forces contribute to work, the validity of the theorem across different scenarios, and the implications of using vector representations in mechanics.

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  • One participant expresses uncertainty about their wording regarding the work-energy theorem and seeks clarification.
  • Another participant questions the necessity of forces being parallel to velocity for work to be done.
  • Some participants argue that a force does not need to be parallel to the velocity to contribute to work, citing the equation W=Fscostheta.
  • A suggestion is made to clarify the wording by replacing "parallel" with "which have a component that is parallel."
  • It is stated that the work-energy theorem is valid for any combination of forces and is a general relationship, unlike conservation of energy, which may not always apply.
  • One participant emphasizes that the work-energy theorem remains valid even when the work done is zero, suggesting this is an important case.
  • A detailed mathematical explanation is provided, illustrating the derivation of the work-energy theorem using vector equations and discussing the implications of conservative forces and potential energy.
  • It is noted that the work-energy theorem can be applied without needing to solve the equations of motion if the force has a potential, leading to energy conservation.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity of forces being parallel to velocity for work to be done. While some assert that a non-zero component parallel to motion is required, others argue against this necessity. The discussion includes multiple competing perspectives on the work-energy theorem and its applications, indicating that consensus has not been reached.

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This is my latest attempt at trying to summarise but I feel there maybe a mistake in the wording. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks.

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why do you think the forces need to be parallel to the velocity?
 
Every force has to have a non-zero component parallel to the motion to contribute to work in that direction
ie W=Fscostheta.
 
yeah, exactly - a force doesn't need to be parallel to the velocity to do work
 
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Ok then does it sound better to replace "parallel" with "which have a component that is parallel"?
 
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The work-energy theorem is valid for any combination of forces. It is the most general relationship and not a special case. Conservation of energy does not apply always but w-e theorem does.
 
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pkc111 said:
Every force has to have a non-zero component parallel to the motion to contribute to work in that direction
ie W=Fscostheta.
The W-E theorem remains perfectly valid even when the work is zero. You could argue that is just as important a case as when the KE is changing.
 
The work-energy theorem holds for all forces, and one should always use vectors for derivations in mechanics not to get confused with directions of the involved quantities. As the most simple case we consider a single point particle moving under the influence of an arbitrary external force:
$$m \ddot{\vec{x}}=\vec{F}(t,\vec{x},\dot{\vec{x}}).$$
You get the work-energy theorem by assuming that ##\vec{x}(t)## is an arbitrary solution of this equation of motion. Then
$$m \dot{\vec{x}} \cdot \ddot{\vec{x}}=\dot{\vec{x}} \cdot \vec{F}[t,\vec{x}(t),\dot{\vec{x}}(t)].$$
The left-hand side is a total time derivative, because
$$m \dot{\vec{x}} \cdot \ddot{\vec{x}}=\mathrm{d_t}(m \dot{\vec{x}}^2/2)=\mathrm{d}_t T,$$
where ##T=m \dot{\vec{x}}^2/2## is the kinetic energy. Plugging this in the above equation and integrating over some time interval you get
$$T_2-T_1=\int_{t_1}^{t_2} \mathrm{d} t \dot{\vec{x}}(t) \cdot \vec{F}[t,\vec{x}(t),\dot{\vec{x}}(t)]=W_{12}.$$
The right-hand side is called work.

This law is not very helpful as it stands, because you need to know a solution of the equations of state. So it's just a nice observation to hold for any such solution, but it doesn't help much to find a solution.

This changes drastically for the special case that the force has a potential. Then the force shouldn't depend on time and velocity and there should be a scalar field ##V(\vec{x})## such that
$$\vec{F}(\vec{x})=-\vec{\nabla} V(\vec{x}).$$
Plugging this into the work-energy theorem you get
$$T_2-T_1=W_{12}=-\int_{t_1}^{t_2} \mathrm{d} t \mathrm{d}_t V[\vec{x}(t)]=-[V(\vec{x}(t_2))-V(\vec{x}(t_1))]$$
or
$$T_2+V(\vec{x}(t_2))=T_1+V(\vec{x}(t_1))=E.$$
This means that in this case for any trajectory the total energy ##E=T+V## is conserved, i.e., it doesn't change with time.

The important twist now is that ##W_{12}## does not depend on using the solution of the equation of motion to calculate the corresponding line integral, because if the force has a potential, then you can use any line connecting two points ##\vec{x}_1## and ##\vec{x}_2##. You always get
$$W_{12}=-[V(\vec{x}_2) -V(\vec{x}_1)],$$
i.e. you know without the solution of the equation of motion how energy conservation looks, and it can indeed help to find solutions of the equation of motion and that's why we call forces which have a scalar potential in the above given sense "conservative", i.e., you don't only have the work-energy theorem but the theorem of energy conservation, i.e.,
$$E=T+V=\text{const}##
along any solution of the equations of motion.
 

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