Is My Trigonometric Substitution Correct for This Integral?

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves evaluating the integral \(\int \frac{e^{3x}dx}{\sqrt{1-e^{2x}}}\), which incorporates exponential functions and trigonometric substitution. The original poster expresses difficulty due to the presence of the exponential term and seeks guidance on the substitution process.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various trigonometric substitutions, with suggestions to set \(\sin(\theta) = e^x\) and \(\cos(\theta) = \sqrt{1-e^{2x}}\). There are attempts to rewrite the integral and clarify the relationships between the variables involved. Some participants question the correctness of the original poster's steps and offer alternative approaches.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's attempts and suggesting different methods for substitution. There is a mix of agreement and correction regarding the setup of the integral and the substitutions used.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of correctly substituting for \(dx\) in the integral and the implications of having \(du\) in the denominator. The original poster is also learning to navigate the forum and express mathematical notation.

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Homework Statement



[tex]\int[/tex] [tex]\frac{e^{3x}dx}{\sqrt{1-e^{2x}}}[/tex]


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Alright so I am able to do other similar problems fine, I think it is the "e" that is throwing me off as well as the fact that the "x" is in the exponent. I started the problem as so...

sin[tex]\vartheta[/tex]=[tex]\frac{e^{\sqrt{x}}}{\sqrt{1}}[/tex]

cos[tex]\vartheta[/tex]d[tex]\vartheta[/tex]=[tex]\frac{e^{\sqrt{x}}dx}{\sqrt{1}}[/tex]

Am I off to the right start and if so can I have some helpful hints as what to do next? Thanks guys.

By the way, those symbols next to Sin & Cos are Theta, I am still learning how to use this forum, sorry.
 
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I think you should have sin(theta) = e^x, cos(theta) =sqrt(1-e^2x). Remember that for any n, (e^nx) =(e^x)^n
 
Re-write it.

[tex]\int\frac{(e^x)^3dx}{\sqrt{1-(e^x)^2}}[/tex]

[tex]e^x=\sin xdx[/tex]

Take the natural log, then it's derivative.
 
Alright so taking your advice I set sin(theta) to e^x dx, and cos(theta) to sqrt(1-e^2x). That then gave me sin^3(theta)/cos((theta). I set u=sin(theta)d(theta) and du=cos(theta) which gave me u^3du^-1. That then became u^2/2 which is sin^2/2. My final answer U then got from that was e^2x/2 + c. Does that sound correct, if not please advise me and I am sorry for misunderstanding your help.
 
Looks wrong.
 
You cannot have a du in the denominator. Think about what this would means in terms of the Riemann sum and you'll see that it doesn't make any sense. Instead, consider an expansion of sin(x)³. That is

[tex]\frac{sin^3(x)}{cos(x)} = sin(x) \frac{1-cos^2(x)}{cos(x)} = tan(x) - sin(x)cos(x)[/tex] You can integrate this.
 
I am trying to set up a triangle for visual aid, is the following correct...

sin=e^x
cos=sqrt(1-e^2x)
tan= (e^x)/(sqrt(1-e^2x)

Thanks guys, greatly appreciated.
 
Yes, those are correct, though you're missing a bracket in tan
 
Thanks, i'll try to take it from here but I don't think there is too much left to do.
 
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I didn't read all the way back,and that was my mistake, but did you remember to substitute for dx in the integral as well?

If [itex]e^x = \sin\theta[/itex] then [itex]e^x dx = \cos\theta d\theta[/itex] which implies that [itex]dx = \mathrm{cot}\theta d\theta[/itex]. That should actually make the integral quite easy
 

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