Is √(n-1) + √(n+1) Always Irrational for n≥1?

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The discussion revolves around proving that the expression √(n-1) + √(n+1) is irrational for every integer n≥1. The subject area includes number theory and properties of irrational numbers.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts a proof by contradiction, questioning the rationality of the expression based on the properties of perfect squares. Some participants suggest alternative approaches, such as examining the conditions under which n-1 and n+1 can be perfect squares.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with some participants expressing skepticism about the original poster's proof and questioning its logical soundness. There is an exploration of different perspectives on the problem, but no consensus has been reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are discussing the implications of specific integer values for n and the conditions that lead to rational or irrational results. There is a focus on the assumptions made in the original proof attempt.

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Homework Statement



Prove that √(n-1)+√(n+1) is irrational for every integer n≥1.

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Proofs i.e. by contradiction


The Attempt at a Solution


2n + 2√(n^2-1) = x^2

so

√(n^2-1) = (x^2-2n)/2

Now if x is rational then so is (x^2-2n)/2 so this says that √(n^2-1) is rational.

But the square root of an integer is rational if and only if that integer is a perfect square so we have

n^2 - 1 = m^2 for some integer m.

Then (n-m)(n+m) = 1, so since these are integers we conlclude that n+m = 1 and n-m = 1. But this is only possible if n = 1 and m = 0.

Since n = 1 does not satisfy "√(n-1) + √(n+1) is rational", we have proven the claim for all n >= 1.

***Is my way to solve this correct? Also, are there any other relevant ways to solve this, better ways?

Thank you for your help!
 
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If n-1 is a perfect square n+1 is not. That is what I would do.
 
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If n-1 is a perfect square n+1 is not. That is what I would do.

Thank you for your reply! Ok, going too far back into Algebra world; could you explain a bit more what you mean? Also, do you think my way is adequate? Would you add or take away anything?

Thanks again!
 
To be honest I do not think you proved anything. I don't even follow your logic.

Where did you get the first equation from? The 2n + blah blah = x^2?

Anyway following through to the last line of your proof I think you are trying to proof by contradiction. This is fine it is probably a good idea.

So basically you assume the opposite and show that it false of n=1 but the error in this is that you have only proved the initial statement of n=1 not for all n. Your conclusion is not logically sound.
 

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