Is non-linearity incontrovertible? What about hidden variables?

In summary, some systems do not follow the superposition principle due to certain relations that cannot be derived from simple addition or subtraction. However, it is possible to model "non-linear systems" using a set of linear equations, although this set may not be finite and can be generated in various ways. It is also possible to approximate non-linear systems with complex linear systems, but there are still non-linear systems that cannot be approximated by any linear theory. Finally, it is possible to parametrize a curve multiple times to better understand its behavior.
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Some systems are said to not obey the superposition principle. This is because certain relations are found which are not arrived at by simple addition or subtraction. However, I wonder if some "non-linear systems" can be modeled directly from an underlying set of linear equations. Now, I don't assume that such a set of equations would be finite. One must somehow generate such equations, though not necessarily by using a system of non-linear equations. Is it possible? If so, can such a process theoretically apply to all non-linear systems?
 
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You can always approximate a non-linear system by a sufficiently complicated linear system. Is that what you mean?
 
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HallsofIvy said:
You can always approximate a non-linear system by a sufficiently complicated linear system.

As long as one remembers that approximate in this case means that there are non-linear system whose behavior cannot be approximated by any (piece-wise) linear approximation of the field. Or in other words, some non-linear systems have behavioral characteristics that will escape any analysis based on linear theory.
 
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Paramertize the curve 10 more times!
 
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I would respond by saying that non-linearity is indeed incontrovertible in certain systems. Non-linear systems are characterized by relationships that cannot be described by simple addition or subtraction, making them fundamentally different from linear systems. This is supported by numerous studies and experiments across various fields of science.

Regarding hidden variables, it is true that some systems may have underlying variables that are not immediately apparent or easily measurable. These hidden variables can play a significant role in the behavior of the system and may need to be considered in order to fully understand and model it accurately. However, the presence of hidden variables does not necessarily mean that the system can be described by a set of linear equations. In fact, many non-linear systems cannot be fully explained by any set of equations, linear or otherwise.

While it is possible to model some non-linear systems using a set of linear equations, this is not always the case. The process of generating equations to model a system is complex and may require advanced mathematical techniques. Furthermore, not all non-linear systems can be modeled using this approach, as each system is unique and may require a different approach to accurately describe it.

In conclusion, while it is possible to model some non-linear systems using linear equations, this is not always the case. Non-linearity is a fundamental aspect of certain systems and cannot be ignored or explained away by hidden variables. As scientists, it is important to acknowledge and embrace the complexity of non-linear systems in order to gain a deeper understanding of the natural world.
 

1. Is non-linearity incontrovertible?

No, non-linearity is not incontrovertible. In fact, many systems in nature exhibit non-linear behavior, meaning the output is not directly proportional to the input. However, linear systems can also be found in nature and in man-made systems.

2. What is non-linearity?

Non-linearity refers to a relationship between two variables that is not directly proportional. In other words, the output does not change at a constant rate as the input changes. Non-linearity can manifest in various forms, such as exponential, logarithmic, or power law relationships.

3. Can non-linearity be observed in real-world systems?

Yes, non-linearity can be observed in many real-world systems. For example, the growth of a population or the spread of a virus can exhibit non-linear behavior. Additionally, non-linear effects can be observed in physical systems, such as the behavior of fluids or the movement of particles.

4. What are hidden variables?

Hidden variables refer to factors or variables that affect the behavior of a system but are not directly observable. These variables may be unknown or difficult to measure, but they can still have a significant impact on the overall behavior of the system.

5. Do hidden variables play a role in non-linearity?

Yes, hidden variables can play a significant role in non-linear systems. These variables can cause unexpected or unpredictable behavior, making it difficult to accurately model or understand the system. In some cases, researchers may need to account for hidden variables in order to accurately predict the behavior of a non-linear system.

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