Is Producing High Temperature, High Pressure Steam Safe for Experimental Use?

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The discussion centers around the safety of producing high temperature, high pressure steam in a specific experimental setup involving a 1/2 inch tube filled with water, pressurized to 4000 psi, and heated to approximately 380°C. The scope includes safety considerations, thermodynamic behavior of water, and the need for safety measures in experimental setups.

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Main Points Raised

  • David expresses a desire to know if producing high temperature, high pressure steam in his described setup is safe and seeks experimental data.
  • Some participants assert that if David has to ask about safety, it indicates that the experiment is not safe for him.
  • Others emphasize the importance of understanding the behavior of water under high pressure and temperature conditions, suggesting that David lacks sufficient knowledge.
  • A participant recommends the use of multiple automatic safety relief valves as a potential safety measure.
  • There is a mention that David's conditions place the water above the critical point, which may have significant implications for safety and behavior.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the proposed experiment is not safe, particularly for someone who is unsure about the risks involved. However, there is no consensus on specific safety measures or the adequacy of David's understanding of the situation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of studying thermodynamics and steam tables to understand the properties of water under the specified conditions, indicating that there may be unresolved aspects regarding the behavior of water at high pressures and temperatures.

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Hi there,
I have a safety question. I want to produce high temperature, high pressure steam. On a 1/2 inch tube, length is about 1 meter. Initially I put cold water in tube. Then pump it to 4000 psi. Now I will heat it to achieve about 380C. (in this process, I will open a purge valve many times to avoid volume increase too much). I will use pressure transducer and thermocouple to measure them.

Is this experiment safe?
If I can find some experimental data about this test, I may not to reproduce it. Can anyone give me some information about it?

Thanks.
David
 
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If you have to ask if it is safe, then for you I would say no it is not safe.
 
Averagesupernova's advice sounds good.

No, it's not safe; you obviously don't have a clue what you're doing!
 
Agreed. About the only thing that would make it safe is multiple automatic safety relief valves. But before you even attempt such an experiment, you should study up on and learn how water is going to behave in such a situation. Get yourself a thermodynamics book and carefully read up on this. There will be chapters dedicated to it and tables of properties in the back. In fact, from the sound of it, all you need is steam tables - you don't need to do the experiment.

One important consideration - at the state you have defined, you are above the critical point for steam.
 
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