Is R a Principal Ideal Domain (P.I.D) Given These Properties?

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The discussion revolves around whether the integral domain \( R \), which is a Noetherian Unique Factorization Domain (U.F.D.) with a specific property regarding elements having no common prime divisor, can be classified as a Principal Ideal Domain (P.I.D.). Participants explore the implications of the given property and its relationship to ideals generated by pairs of elements.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes that since \( R \) is Noetherian, every ideal is finitely generated and can be expressed as a finite product of irreducible elements.
  • Another participant questions the existence of \( d = \gcd(a,b) \) for elements \( a, b \in R \) and explores the implications of this gcd in the context of the ideal \( I = (a,b) \).
  • A later reply suggests that if \( \gcd(s,t) = 1 \), then there exist elements \( u,v \in R \) such that \( su + tv = 1 \), leading to the conclusion that \( au + bv = d \).
  • Participants discuss whether the elements of the ideal \( (a,b) \) can be expressed as multiples of \( d \) and whether this implies \( (a,b) = (d) \).
  • There is a correction regarding the containment of ideals, where it is clarified that \( (a,b) \subseteq (d) \) holds true, but the reverse containment is also questioned.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the implications of the gcd and the properties of the ideals. There is no consensus on whether \( R \) can be definitively classified as a P.I.D. based on the discussed properties.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on the definitions of gcd and the properties of ideals in the context of Noetherian U.F.D.s. There are unresolved questions about the existence of certain elements and the implications of the ideal containment relationships.

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Hey! :o

Let $R$ be an integral domain and a Noetherian U.F.D. with the following property:

for each couple $a,b\in R$ that are not both $0$, and that have no common prime divisor, there are elements $u,v\in R$ such that $au+bv=1$.

I want to show that $R$ is a P.I.D..
Since $R$ is Noetherian, we have that every ideal is finitely generated. Then every ideal is a finite product of irreducible elements of $R$.

How could we use the above property of $R$ to conclude that $R$ is a P.I.D. ? (Wondering)
 
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Suppose we have $I = (a,b)$.

Suppose $d = \gcd(a,b)$ (why does $d$ exist?).

Then $(a,b) = (ds,dt)$ where $\gcd(s,t) = 1$.

What can you say about $(d)$?
 
Deveno said:
Suppose we have $I = (a,b)$.

Suppose $d = \gcd(a,b)$ (why does $d$ exist?).

Then $(a,b) = (ds,dt)$ where $\gcd(s,t) = 1$.

What can you say about $(d)$?

Since $\gcd(s,t) = 1$ from the property of $R$ we have that $\exists u,v\in R$ such that $su+tv=1$.

Then $dsu+dtv=d \Rightarrow au+bv=d$.

We have that the elements of the ideal $(a,b)$ are of the form $ax+by$ where $x,y\in R$, right? (Wondering)

That means that elements of the ideal $(a,b)$ are the multiples of $d$, or not? ( $axk+byk=dk$ )
Therefore, $(a,b)=(d)$, right? (Wondering)
 
mathmari said:
Since $\gcd(s,t) = 1$ from the property of $R$ we have that $\exists u,v\in R$ such that $su+tv=1$.

Then $dsu+dtv=d \Rightarrow au+bv=d$.

This shows that $(d) \subseteq (a,b)$

We have that the elements of the ideal $(a,b)$ are of the form $ax+by$ where $x,y\in R$, right? (Wondering)

Yes.

That means that elements of the ideal $(a,b)$ are the multiples of $d$, or not? ( $axk+byk=dk$ )

Not quite right-your conclusion is true though.

We have $a = ds$ and $b = dt$, so $ax + by = (ds)x + (dt)y = d(sx + ty)$, so $(a,b) \subseteq (d)$


Therefore, $(a,b)=(d)$, right? (Wondering)

Now...can you use this to show $R$ is a PID?
 

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