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[IcedEcliptic]

I feel a need to say that I never mentioned the word "murder". I said war as on a foreign nation. That means military targets only. It wouldn't be our fault if large numbers of Aztlanites joined their army because they were so proud of their new nation... I never have and never will advocate the destruction of civilian targets. And I would wait until they seceded before I attacked their military ones. You'll get a lot more from me than you would from many people on hearing the situation.

And hey, what they're planning is a demographic invasion. If they succeed, if they secede, than the U.S. has every right to make war upon the seceders. For some reason, however, the last group to try it is still mad about the outcome...

Getting your *** handed to you does tend to engender a certain degree of lasting resentment. Hoping for war or civil unrest is rough however, it doesn't go well for any side. These "race war" people are dangerous however, it's like the palestinian desire for return, which would be demographic invasion as well.

 

[cronxeh]

I think either the media or the motion picture industry in general have been strongly biased against the blacks, hispanics, and others. This attitude is reinforced on a saturday nigth on FOX channel, when a cop chases a black guy who was stupid enough to spill his guts to the cops and confess to all the crimes and say 'yeah I guess I am just dumb, sir, I'm sorry'. Its fun to watch, but at some point you wonder to yourself, are they really all that stupid? Can't be, right? Its statistically implausible something's got to give. Then you look at the movie industry and a few names jump out:


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1407061/"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0486578/"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0368578/"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0462244/"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1391137/"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0490196/"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118589/"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0299930/"

What do all these movies have in common? They have black actors in them and they are all rated below 4/10. Even Gigli - poor Ben Afleck in a lead role rated at 2.3. His average is between 6 and 7. Even Mariah in Glitter got a 2.3. Those movies have a lame story just like any other hollywood script, but the actors in them are black. You can either speculate that they all can't act, or that there is a bias on part of the people who rated those movies.

Low ratings translate into low rentals, which translate into low income for the actors and lower status among the rest of the actors. You won't necessarily see them on the red carpet if they are even invited.

 

[IcedEcliptic]

I think either the media or the motion picture industry in general have been strongly biased against the blacks, hispanics, and others. This attitude is reinforced on a saturday nigth when a cop chases a black guy who was stupid enough to spill his guts to the cops and confess to all the crimes and say 'yeah I guess I am just dumb, sir, I'm sorry'. Its fun to watch, but at some point you wonder to yourself, are they really all that stupid? Can't be, right? Its statistically implausible something's got to give. Then you look at the movie industry and a few names jump out:


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1407061/"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0486578/"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0368578/"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0462244/"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1391137/"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0490196/"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118589/"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0299930/"

What do all these movies have in common? They have black actors in them and they are all rated below 3/10. Even Gigli - poor Ben Afleck in a lead role rated at 2.3. His average is between 6 and 7. Even Mariah in Glitter got a 2.3. Those movies have a lame story just like any other hollywood script, but the actors in them are black. You can either speculate that they all can't act, or that there is a bias on part of the people who rated those movies.

Low ratings translate into low rentals, which translate into low income for the actors and lower status among the rest of the actors. You won't necessarily see them on the red carpet if they are even invited.

 

[cronxeh]

I know its kind of like out of the left field there, I was browsing stuff to download (im on vacation) and I got myself some Sneakers and True Lies of course, and sure enough I kept browsing and stumbled upon some of the worst rated movies on imdb. Hey look they are all black, my corpus collosum reported, 'are they packing heat and carrying drugs?' my frontal lobe wondered, 'something smells funny' my parietal lobe responded, 'wasnt us' the external anal sphincter reported.. and then I thought.. weird?

 

[IcedEcliptic]

I know its kind of like out of the left field there, I was browsing stuff to download (im on vacation) and I got myself some Sneakers and True Lies of course, and sure enough I kept browsing and stumbled upon some of the worst rated movies on imdb. Hey look they are all black, my corpus collosum reported, 'are they packing heat and carrying drugs?' my frontal lobe wondered, 'something smells funny' my parietal lobe responded, 'wasnt us' the external anal sphincter reported.. and then I thought.. weird?

Hum, I see. I don't know enough about movies to really judge.

 

[Norman]

I think either the media or the motion picture industry in general have been strongly biased against the blacks, hispanics, and others. This attitude is reinforced on a saturday nigth on FOX channel, when a cop chases a black guy who was stupid enough to spill his guts to the cops and confess to all the crimes and say 'yeah I guess I am just dumb, sir, I'm sorry'. Its fun to watch, but at some point you wonder to yourself, are they really all that stupid? Can't be, right? Its statistically implausible something's got to give. Then you look at the movie industry and a few names jump out:


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1407061/"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0486578/"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0368578/"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0462244/"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1391137/"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0490196/"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118589/"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0299930/"

What do all these movies have in common? They have black actors in them and they are all rated below 4/10. Even Gigli - poor Ben Afleck in a lead role rated at 2.3. His average is between 6 and 7. Even Mariah in Glitter got a 2.3. Those movies have a lame story just like any other hollywood script, but the actors in them are black. You can either speculate that they all can't act, or that there is a bias on part of the people who rated those movies.

Low ratings translate into low rentals, which translate into low income for the actors and lower status among the rest of the actors. You won't necessarily see them on the red carpet if they are even invited.

Wait... J Lo is black? Since when. I thought she was Puerto Rican?

Or, you are seeing the effects of sampling error. The people who rate films on IMDB and base rental decisions off the IMDB rating.

And how do you reconcile your conclusion with films which are consider classics that have black actors in leading roles? For instance, The Shawshank Redemption (number one movie on IMDB), Pulp Fiction, The Matrix, Se7en, etc?

 

[cronxeh]

Wait... J Lo is black? Since when. I thought she was Puerto Rican?

Or, you are seeing the effects of sampling error. The people who rate films on IMDB and base rental decisions off the IMDB rating.

And how do you reconcile your conclusion with films which are consider classics that have black actors in leading roles? For instance, The Shawshank Redemption (number one movie on IMDB), Pulp Fiction, The Matrix, Se7en, etc?

Mariah Carey's father is Black/Venezuelan American. Mother is White Irish-American.

Shawshank Redemption has Morgan Freeman, one guy? Pulp Fiction has the writer and director (Quentin Tarantino) with half a dozen n word lines in the movie and one of the lead black characters gets sodomized by a redneck in the movie. The Matrix? Ok 1 black guy to keep it EEO. Se7en? I don't think that's even considered a movie.

 

[Norman]

Shawshank Redemption has Morgan Freeman, one guy?

Everyone else is white in Gigli, but it must be due to J Lo being Puerto Rican. But it must be the racists on IMDB...

Pulp Fiction has the writer and director (Quentin Tarantino) with half a dozen n word lines in the movie and one of the lead black characters gets sodomized by a redneck in the movie.

Did you not previously disregard the plot of a movie and say only the race of the main actors matter? And what exactly does Tarantino appearing in the film have to do with your premise?

The Matrix? Ok 1 black guy to keep it EEO.

So what exactly is the IMDB racial makeup threshold for downgrading a movie?

Se7en? I don't think that's even considered a movie.

I think you are just mad because your favorite movies were given bad reviews at IMDB**





**I am just being cheeky here.

 

[leroyjenkens]

I think either the media or the motion picture industry in general have been strongly biased against the blacks, hispanics, and others. This attitude is reinforced on a saturday nigth on FOX channel, when a cop chases a black guy who was stupid enough to spill his guts to the cops and confess to all the crimes and say 'yeah I guess I am just dumb, sir, I'm sorry'. Its fun to watch, but at some point you wonder to yourself, are they really all that stupid? Can't be, right? Its statistically implausible something's got to give. Then you look at the movie industry and a few names jump out:

Are you suggesting Cops is scripted?
Or that they're purposely using mostly footage of black criminals being captured due to racism?

What do all these movies have in common? They have black actors in them and they are all rated below 4/10. Even Gigli - poor Ben Afleck in a lead role rated at 2.3. His average is between 6 and 7. Even Mariah in Glitter got a 2.3. Those movies have a lame story just like any other hollywood script, but the actors in them are black. You can either speculate that they all can't act, or that there is a bias on part of the people who rated those movies.

All those movies got bad ratings because there's black actors in them and not because they're bad movies?
There's tons of movies with black actors in them that got great reviews and tons of movies with all white people in them that got bad reviews.

I honestly can't tell whether you're being facetious or not.

 

[Norman]

I honestly can't tell whether you're being facetious or not.

I can't either. I decided to assume he wasn't and if I come off as horribly daft, so be it.

 

[zomgwtf]

Lol cronxeh, I think the amount of movies with lead white actors has a proportional amount of 'good ratings/bad ratings' relative to the other races... Unless we start counting African movies and such, then those movies in the American market would probably all be rated pretty low. Anyone here ever seen a Nigerian movie? Oh god, juju and really LOUD praying all over the place.

Anyway the point being is that the movies are probably not rated as bad simply because there are black people in lead roles not getting lynched or what have you. They simply could have not been good.

How would the classics that have black actors/producers/directors etc. be explained by your theory? I mean sure there are plenty of movies with black lead actors and the movie is about racism... does that mean that the people who liked the movie or thought the actor was superb (enough to be nominated for and in some cases WIN a Academy Award) are all racist? Hardly, it means that the movie was extremely well done and it's getting credit it deserves.
Maybe your theory was true back in 60-90s but I hardly think it's valid for 2010.

 

[Mu naught]

If you want to look for racism you'll find it.

The Shawshank Redemption stared Morgan Freeman and was an excellent movie, but if you want to find racism you can complain about about a black man being in prison... seriously just grow up please.

 

[cronxeh]

Do any of you actually have a counter-argument? You know, examples, statistics, numbers, .. facts?

 

[Norman]

Do any of you actually have a counter-argument? You know, examples, statistics, numbers, .. facts?

Debunking baseless, anecdotal premises with examples, statistics, numbers, ... and facts would just be really poor form.

Sine you don't consider Se7en a movie, I can only conclude that you don't consider any of the things you linked to as movies either.

 

[cronxeh]

Debunking baseless, anecdotal premises with examples, statistics, numbers, ... and facts would just be really poor form.

Sine you don't consider Se7en a movie, I can only conclude that you don't consider any of the things you linked to as movies either.

Ok I must stop you right there. You are not addressing the argument because you can't or unwilling. Either way I won't entertain responding to you.

Top 10 movies on IMDB http://www.imdb.com/chart/top
5 out of 91 actors in lead roles are black - that's 5.5%

I'm not going to waste my time to actually analyze the entire imdb database to backup a statement that "I think either the media or the motion picture industry in general have been strongly biased against the blacks, hispanics, and others". I think, therefore I've thought. If you don't like it then you can counter-argue my 'thought' which was presented as a thought and not a definitive statement.

 

[zomgwtf]

Ok I must stop you right there. You are not addressing the argument because you can't or unwilling. Either way I won't entertain responding to you.

Top 10 movies on IMDB http://www.imdb.com/chart/top
5 out of 91 actors in lead roles are black - that's 5.5%

I'm not going to waste my time to actually analyze the entire imdb database to backup a statement that "I think either the media or the motion picture industry in general have been strongly biased against the blacks, hispanics, and others". I think, therefore I've thought. If you don't like it then you can counter-argue my 'thought' which was presented as a thought and not a definitive statement.

I don't think that counts as a statistic for racism in movie ratings at all. First of all it's limited to the top 10 movies, second of all that seems like a rediculously large amount of lead actors hmmm. Third of all, even if this statistic did show racism was present, it would only show that on IMDB there are people who are racist... Nothing really about movies in general or movie rating in general. We don't have to counter your claim with anything. You have to prove it.

 

[Norman]

Ok I must stop you right there. You are not addressing the argument because you can't or unwilling. Either way I won't entertain responding to you.

Top 10 movies on IMDB http://www.imdb.com/chart/top
5 out of 91 actors in lead roles are black - that's 5.5%

I'm not going to waste my time to actually analyze the entire imdb database to backup a statement that "I think either the media or the motion picture industry in general have been strongly biased against the blacks, hispanics, and others". I think, therefore I've thought. If you don't like it then you can counter-argue my 'thought' which was presented as a thought and not a definitive statement.

Let me try to get you to refine your premise slightly, because I think I may have been slightly misunderstanding you. I thought your grievance was with the IMDB rating. Are you saying that hollywood (I will use the term "hollywood" to mean the motion picture industry- I am not sure what you mean by the word "media" in the context of your statement) is not allowing non-white actors the opportunities to star in top 10 quality films? Or are you saying something else?

As far as some all-reaching, hollywood racist stranglehold- I think you are wrong. Today. 30 years ago, you were probably right.

Actually, a thought has occurred to me. Hollywood is in the business of putting "beautiful" people in movies. I wonder if there is some Eurocentric ideal of beauty at work here.

 

[leroyjenkens]

Top 10 movies on IMDB http://www.imdb.com/chart/top
5 out of 91 actors in lead roles are black - that's 5.5%

You want facts, but you present none yourself. What does your statistic say? It says nothing about the prejudice of people who rate movies.

I could say the same about the lack of top 250 movies with lead actors with heterochromia of the eyes. Since there's few, if any, I'd say there's a prejudice against them.

The movies you listed with black actors are just bad, that's why their ratings are low. It has nothing to do with the race of the actors.

 

[IcedEcliptic]

This has gone in an odd direction given the OP. As I have said, I am not enough of a movie fan to really make a judgment, but nothing I've read here has anything to do with a race war, La Raza, Immigration, or even evidence to confirm or falsify the notion of a racist movie industry. I don't know, it seems possible, but there seems to be a bit of ignoring the many failed movies with white actors.

What about the reality of antisemitism? Other than changing names, that doesn't seem to slow people down. Hispanic actors, such as Antonia Bandares, Jennifer Lopez, Salma Hayek, and more are superstars. Richard Pryor acted, Danny Glover, Sidney Poitier, Eric Estrada, Eddie Murphey... and countless others black, brown and in between. Hollywood seemed to be racist when they cast white people as Asians, and the Oscars certainly are biased, but is that because the INDUSTRY is racist, or just a legacy of racism or a per-capita issue?

 

[Nebula815]

Hollywood is very liberal and has lots of Jews, how could it be racist (usually people racist against minorities also hate Jews).

On minority actors in Hollywood, don't forget highly-paid big megastars Denzel Washington and Will Smith.

 

[Proton Soup]

Hollywood is very liberal and has lots of Jews, how could it be racist (usually people racist against minorities also hate Jews).

On minority actors in Hollywood, don't forget highly-paid big megastars Denzel Washington and Will Smith.

why do you assume jews aren't racist ?

 

[Nebula815]

Never really thought about it that way, interesting point. But even if some are, Hollywood has a very diverse set of actors and actresses I think now.

 

[Proton Soup]

Never really thought about it that way, interesting point. But even if some are, Hollywood has a very diverse set of actors and actresses I think now.

maybe. how would you know? the leadership is pretty jewish, according to Joel Stein.

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/dec/19/opinion/oe-stein19

 

[IcedEcliptic]

I would believe that any group can be racist, but I don't know that jews as a rule are particularly racist. It isn't what I was driving at, but I understand the quandary Proton Soup has presented us with. Huh.

 

[cronxeh]

Ah yes, the Jews.

http://www.csmonitor.com/The-Cultur...t-patrols-curb-crime-and-generate-controversy

In NYC there exists an organization called Shomrim that drives vehicles that are marked like NYPD cars, except it says Shomrim on them. They also have portable handheld radios, a dispatch system, and regular patrols. There were several incidents when black kids would clash with jewish kids and beat them up, and vice versa.

The irony is that there is no 'black' patrol, but there is 'Jewish' patrol. There is also a Jewish ambulance that services mostly only Jewish residents in NYC called Hatzolah (although they can't decide how to name themselves and variate it as Hatzalah, Hotzolah, Hotzoloh). It is an example of racism in a sense that they dislike everyone who isn't them. There are also a lot of members of NYPD who join Shomrim (even a 3 star chief who is a female).

But if its about patroling, NYPD has an Auxiliary division, of course they service everyone not just the jews.


Take a look at their logo:
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/bp%20shomrim%20logo1.jpg
vs
NYPD
http://www.emunahmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/nypd.jpg

Some of their vehicles:
http://www.crownheights.info/media/4/20080328-junior-shomrim.jpg
http://www.vosizneias.com/wp-content/uploads/uploaded_images/shmrim-794366.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2766/4283115630_844dc3dd31.jpg
http://whoisshmira.files.wordpress....omrim-tickets-71st-nypd-shmira-cop-mesira.jpg
http://www.crownheights.info/media/new%20shomrim%20rmp/1.jpg

And of course commingling with the Jewish mayor:
http://crownheightsshomrim.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/shomrim-of-crown-heights.jpg

Something to consider: 12% of NYC is jewish, while 27% is black and 27% is hispanic, with 45% white

It seems the only thing jews are missing is a fire department

 

[Char. Limit]

Actually, he has a point.

Hollywood is liberal.
As any liberal will tell you, liberals aren't racist.
Therefore, Hollywood isn't racist.

See if you can spot the fallacy! (Hint: it's in the second step)

And Cronx, like it or not, the Jewish Vote in New York is enough to justify all of that. When the Black Vote or the Hispanic Vote become the driving forces in NYC, then they'll have their own police force.

 

[cronxeh]

And Cronx, like it or not, the Jewish Vote in New York is enough to justify all of that. When the Black Vote or the Hispanic Vote become the driving forces in NYC, then they'll have their own police force.

So you just implied that racism is ok if you have enough voters? (Although 12% < 27% by voters)

What if you are a restaurant owner and you want to serve only Italians and Russians, and not allow any Jews or Blacks in your establishment. Is that legal?

 

[IcedEcliptic]

Ah yes, the Jews.

http://www.csmonitor.com/The-Cultur...t-patrols-curb-crime-and-generate-controversy

In NYC there exists an organization called Shomrim that drives vehicles that are marked like NYPD cars, except it says Shomrim on them. They also have portable handheld radios, a dispatch system, and regular patrols. There were several incidents when black kids would clash with jewish kids and beat them up, and vice versa.

The irony is that there is no 'black' patrol, but there is 'Jewish' patrol. There is also a Jewish ambulance that services mostly only Jewish residents in NYC called Hatzolah (although they can't decide how to name themselves and variate it as Hatzalah, Hotzolah, Hotzoloh). It is an example of racism in a sense that they dislike everyone who isn't them. There are also a lot of members of NYPD who join Shomrim (even a 3 star chief who is a female).

But if its about patroling, NYPD has an Auxiliary division, of course they service everyone not just the jews.


Take a look at their logo:
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/bp%20shomrim%20logo1.jpg
vs
NYPD
http://www.emunahmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/nypd.jpg

Some of their vehicles:
http://www.crownheights.info/media/4/20080328-junior-shomrim.jpg
http://www.vosizneias.com/wp-content/uploads/uploaded_images/shmrim-794366.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2766/4283115630_844dc3dd31.jpg
http://whoisshmira.files.wordpress....omrim-tickets-71st-nypd-shmira-cop-mesira.jpg
http://www.crownheights.info/media/new%20shomrim%20rmp/1.jpg

And of course commingling with the Jewish mayor:
http://crownheightsshomrim.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/shomrim-of-crown-heights.jpg

Something to consider: 12% of NYC is jewish, while 27% is black and 27% is hispanic, with 45% white

It seems the only thing jews are missing is a fire department

Just a political reality. Christians have their own army, I believe it is called the US Army. Let's not forget that while Christians are a minority in the USA, our science and social policies are driven by their sensitivities.

 

[IcedEcliptic]

So you just implied that racism is ok if you have enough voters? What if you are a restaurant owner and you want to serve only Italians and Russians, and not allow any Jews or Blacks in your establishment. Is that legal?

You mean, like the Apollo Theatre often is in practice? Or, the Boy Scouts of America? Or government? You mean, the way that women are barred from military positions, and are paid less? It's not right, it just is.

From what I understand, there are religious sensitivities when it comes to medicine and the whole Kosher and Halal issues, for Jews and Muslims. That isn't exclusion, but a catered service.

 

[zomgwtf]

So you just implied that racism is ok if you have enough voters? What if you are a restaurant owner and you want to serve only Italians and Russians, and not allow any Jews or Blacks in your establishment. Is that legal?

This patrol isn't stopping blacks or italians from getting out on the streets on its watch. They are just looking out for the community, with specific emphasis on the jewish community who they feel is 'preyed upon'. I don't really feel this is racist at all, just looking out for yourself, your family, your friends, and your 'brethren'. Nothing you said makes me feel that this Jew patrol is racist at all.

I disagree that it has to do with votes though, I think if the black community wanted to set up their own patrol they would be more than welcome to. As long as the conduct themselves in a non-racist way... otherwise it's just a gang. In fact the black community DOES have a sort of 'look-out' patrol, FOR THE ENTIRE NATION! Multitudes of reverends and 'black rights activist' who go and riot/protest every other black persons death.

EDIT: I noticed I had worded something horribly lol, just changed it.