Is string theory the solution to the problem of infinities in quantum gravity?

  • Thread starter Thread starter julian
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Strings
Click For Summary
String theory and loop quantum gravity (LQG) are discussed as potential solutions to the problem of infinities in quantum gravity. LQG is noted for self-regularization through quantized volumes, while string theory addresses infinities by allowing interactions to occur over extended objects rather than point particles. The conversation highlights that interactions in string theory are not point-like, which may mitigate ultraviolet divergences that plague traditional quantum gravity models. It is emphasized that string theory, while not originally aimed at unifying gravity, has shown potential to do so, making it a compelling framework for understanding quantum gravity. Overall, the discussion reflects on the complexities of interactions in both theories and their implications for the mathematical consistency of quantum gravity.
julian
Science Advisor
Gold Member
Messages
860
Reaction score
365
I believe in LQG where the theory itself regularises itself (quantised volumes)...string theory is supposed to account for infinities too cus the interaction is smeared over extended objects rather than point particles...

First of all interactions don't occur at points in perturbative quantum gravity in the same sense of Fermi theory.

In string theory we take a step back in that strings do interact directly as in Fermi theory.

Second, so what if it is extended objects that interct??...say an extended object interacts with another extended object say at n points - doesn't that just say the UV divergence will be a power of n times greater than that for point particle interactions just divided by n??

Probably a stupid question...Im bit tired. cats among pigeons.
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
Why do you think an extended object is a clump of N point-like objects? Isn't the whole point of extended objects that they're not?

Now, I don't really know anything about string theory, so I can't really comment on how this works. It seems a little puzzling to me too that having one extended dimension immediately solves this problem. After all, the cross section is still point-like perpendicular to the string.
 
julian said:
..., so what if it is extended objects that interct??...say an extended object interacts with another extended object say at n points -...

clamtrox said:
Why do you think an extended object is a clump of N point-like objects? ...

Actually I don't think Julian was suggesting that (extended object = finite number of point objects).

The example was two extended objects that INTERACT at a finite number of points.

I think that's how it has to be if (in the math formulation of the theory) interaction is treated as occurring at discrete points. Just my guess, hopefully J. will clear it up for you. BTW I was impressed by the recent discussion in Relativity forum https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=587239 involving several people and think it might relate to the topic here. I post the link just in case it does.
 
Last edited:
I did mean to extend from N to infinty. I think I was being a bit frivolous. I think you draw out the world sheets of two interacting strings and then note that you can't identify a single point of inetraction.
 
julian said:
I believe in LQG where the theory itself regularises itself (quantised volumes)...string theory is supposed to account for infinities too cus the interaction is smeared over extended objects rather than point particles...

First of all interactions don't occur at points in perturbative quantum gravity in the same sense of Fermi theory.

In string theory we take a step back in that strings do interact directly as in Fermi theory.

Second, so what if it is extended objects that interct??...say an extended object interacts with another extended object say at n points - doesn't that just say the UV divergence will be a power of n times greater than that for point particle interactions just divided by n??

Probably a stupid question...Im bit tired. cats among pigeons.

Hi,

Remember, standard particle interactions work fine at zero sitance. The problem comes when you introduce gravity.

Gravity must be transmitted on quantum scales by a particle known as a graviton, so that particle interactions with gravity can be mathematically studied and understood.

When gravitons interact with particles at zero distance, as shown by the standard models attempt to include them, everything caves in. The equations break down into ultraviolet divergances, and infinities arise.

But in string theory, the graviton is represented by a closed loop string, allowing it to interact with particles at greater than zero distance, which elimnates any mathematical breakdowns, and allows for a coherant theory of quantum gravity. But remember: String theory's goal has never been to unify to provide a quantum description of gravity. But John Schwarz showed that it could, which made it much more attractive. Though, string theory seeks to unify all forces and provide a theory of everything - unlike other theories of QG which deal purely with gravity.
 
Last edited:
"Supernovae evidence for foundational change to cosmological models" https://arxiv.org/pdf/2412.15143 The paper claims: We compare the standard homogeneous cosmological model, i.e., spatially flat ΛCDM, and the timescape cosmology which invokes backreaction of inhomogeneities. Timescape, while statistically homogeneous and isotropic, departs from average Friedmann-Lemaître-Robertson-Walker evolution, and replaces dark energy by kinetic gravitational energy and its gradients, in explaining...

Similar threads

  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
4K
  • · Replies 26 ·
Replies
26
Views
4K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 22 ·
Replies
22
Views
6K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
3K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
5K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K