Is T=F * r Acceptable for Measuring Torque?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of torque in physics, specifically addressing the notation and interpretation of the torque equation T = r * F versus T = F * r. Participants are examining the implications of these expressions and their relation to the cross product in vector mathematics.

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  • Participants are questioning the acceptability of the expression T = F * r, with some emphasizing the importance of the cross product in defining torque. Others are exploring the implications of unit notation and the potential for confusion between torque and energy units.

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The discussion is active, with various interpretations being explored regarding the notation of torque and its units. Some participants have offered insights into the mathematical properties of the cross product, while others are reflecting on the clarity of terminology used in educational contexts.

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There is a noted concern about the potential confusion between the units of torque (Newton-meters) and energy (also Newton-meters), as well as the implications of using different notations. The discussion highlights differing perspectives on how best to communicate these concepts to learners.

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I saw in my reference book that T=r * F , and T=F * r is unacceptable. Why is the latter unacceptable?
 
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Also, the book probably doesn't want you to confuse units of torque (meter*Newtons) and units of energy (Newton*meters). Get in the habit of putting the distance first, as it will help you with the cross products
 
turdferguson said:
Also, the book probably doesn't want you to confuse units of torque (meter*Newtons) and units of energy (Newton*meters).

Huh? The (standard) unit of torque is the Newton-metre; I've never heard of it being called a metre-Newton! Besides, clearly the units Newton and metre commute.

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton_metre)
 
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If the unit of torque is the Newton-meter, that implies that its the same as a joule. By using the term "meter-Newton", you can easily differentiate between torque and energy. Even though you just informed me that its not technically SI, it makes more sense to me and probably to someone just starting out
 

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